From tmharks at facstaff.wisc.edu Tue Oct 1 11:54:44 2002 From: tmharks at facstaff.wisc.edu (T. Harks) Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 11:54:44 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] RedHat 8.0 - First impressions? Message-ID: Greetings- I realize that RH 8.0 was released only yesterday, but I was curious to hear if anyone has already installed/upgraded/tried the latest version. Where applicable, I'd love to hear pros/cons on the ugrade from a previous distro, the joys/kinks in a fresh install, your opinions on noticible improvements, etc. I'm currently dividing my personal Linux meddlings between RH 7.3 and Debian, so comparisons between RH 8.0 and Debian will also be appreciated. Thanks in advance for your comments. If/when I choose to upgrade, I'll be happy to add to the discussion. Sincerely, Ted Harks --- If you shoot at mimes, should you use a silencer? Steven Wright --- ted at wut.org - 262-9909 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.madisonlinux.org/pipermail/madlug/attachments/20021001/8025e581/attachment.htm From scayford at tds.net Tue Oct 1 13:44:34 2002 From: scayford at tds.net (scayford at tds.net) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 11:44:34 -0700 Subject: [Madlug] RedHat 8.0 - First impressions? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Haven't tried it yet, but there's quite a review on osnews: http://osnews.com/story.php?news_id=1842 I'm thinking I'll wait for 8.1. -SteveC On Tuesday, October 1, 2002, at 09:54 AM, T. Harks wrote: > Greetings- > ? > I realize that RH 8.0 was released only yesterday, but I was curious > to hear if anyone has already installed/upgraded/tried the latest > version.? Where applicable, I'd love to hear pros/cons on the ugrade > from a previous distro, the joys/kinks in a fresh install, your > opinions on noticible improvements, etc.? I'm currently dividing my > personal Linux meddlings between RH 7.3 and Debian, so comparisons > between RH 8.0 and Debian will also be appreciated.? Thanks in advance > for your comments.? If/when I choose to upgrade, I'll be happy to add > to the discussion. > ? > Sincerely, > ? > Ted Harks > --- > If you shoot at mimes, should you use a silencer? > Steven Wright > --- > ted at wut.org - 262-9909 > ? From kpatenaude at yahoo.com Tue Oct 1 15:01:23 2002 From: kpatenaude at yahoo.com (Kenny Patenaude) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 13:01:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Madlug] RedHat 8.0 - First impressions? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20021001200123.11264.qmail@web11507.mail.yahoo.com> Opinion-- In order for any Linux distro to make it to the Business desktop world 2 things need to happen. 1. Easier and standard printing interface among applications. 2. Text has to be more legable in applications. Local apps will be moved aside by web based apps running from any standard web browser. --- scayford at tds.net wrote: > Haven't tried it yet, but there's quite a review on > osnews: > > http://osnews.com/story.php?news_id=1842 > > I'm thinking I'll wait for 8.1. > > -SteveC > > On Tuesday, October 1, 2002, at 09:54 AM, T. Harks > wrote: > > > Greetings- > > ? > > I realize that RH 8.0 was released only yesterday, > but I was curious > > to hear if anyone has already > installed/upgraded/tried the latest > > version.? Where applicable, I'd love to hear > pros/cons on the ugrade > > from a previous distro, the joys/kinks in a fresh > install, your > > opinions on noticible improvements, etc.? I'm > currently dividing my > > personal Linux meddlings between RH 7.3 and > Debian, so comparisons > > between RH 8.0 and Debian will also be > appreciated.? Thanks in advance > > for your comments.? If/when I choose to upgrade, > I'll be happy to add > > to the discussion. > > ? > > Sincerely, > > ? > > Ted Harks > > --- > > If you shoot at mimes, should you use a silencer? > > Steven Wright > > --- > > ted at wut.org - 262-9909 > > ? > > > _______________________________________________ > Madlug mailing list - Madlug at madisonlinux.org > http://www.madisonlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/madlug ===== Kenny Patenaude kpatenaude at yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From zoltan47 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 1 16:53:47 2002 From: zoltan47 at yahoo.com (Steve Krause) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 14:53:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Madlug] **Meeting Reminder** Message-ID: <20021001215347.6007.qmail@web11101.mail.yahoo.com> Hello all, Just a reminder that we have a regular "coffee and technochat" meeting for this Friday (7pm) at Steep & Brew on State Street. Aside: I'll get the website "back to normal" ASAP. Yours, Steve Krause __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From director at chpi.org Tue Oct 1 17:17:45 2002 From: director at chpi.org (John J. Boyer) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 17:17:45 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Madlug] Changing Size of Swap Partition Message-ID: Hello, Redhat 8.0 really looks tempting. I'm also hoping to do some Gnome programming in the near future. According to what I have read on the Gnome website, Gnome 2 requires 128Mb of RAM. Currently, I have 64Mb. If I increase my RAM to 128Mb how do I increase the size of my swap partition and how large should it be? Thanks. John -- Computers to Help People, Inc. http://www.chpi.org 825 East Johnson; Madison, WI 53703 From hardburn at runbox.com Tue Oct 1 18:03:43 2002 From: hardburn at runbox.com (Timm Murray) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 18:03:43 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] Changing Size of Swap Partition In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200210011803.49358.hardburn@runbox.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 01 October 2002 17:17, John J. Boyer wrote: > Hello, > Redhat 8.0 really looks tempting. I'm also hoping to do some Gnome > programming in the near future. According to what I have read on the Gnome > website, Gnome 2 requires 128Mb of RAM. Currently, I have 64Mb. If I > increase my RAM to 128Mb how do I increase the size of my swap partition > and how large should it be? > Thanks. > John You wouldn't actually need to increase the size of your swap partition, but if you really want to . . . The nice and neat way of doing it would be to repartition your hard drive to create a bigger swap partition. Barring that, you can create a file that can be used as a new swap device: $ dd if=/dev/zero of=/path/to/file count=1 bs=128M Replacing "128M" with the size of your choice. (You should probably be doing all this as root, BTW). Next, create a loopback device for this file (be sure you have the loopback module in your kernel), and format it as a swap device: $ losetup /dev/lo0 /path/to/file $ mkswap /dev/lo0 You can then active the swap partition with: $ swapon /dev/lo0 This will append the new swap space to whatever swap device you already have running. To have the new swap device be activated at boot time, you need to make a bootscript that runs the "losetup" and "swapon" lines above. - -- He's like a function--he returns a value, in the form of his opinion. It's up to you to cast it into void or not. --Phil Lapsley -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAj2aKdMACgkQqpueKcacfLQcxgCfS4XzSDwB1XyYVMEeR2xObxXQ Tz4AoKySXsXzBSQv6AkdZqtV+19y5zkz =olUC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mtinberg at securepipe.com Tue Oct 1 19:49:54 2002 From: mtinberg at securepipe.com (Mark Tinberg) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 19:49:54 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Madlug] Changing Size of Swap Partition In-Reply-To: <200210011803.49358.hardburn@runbox.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 1 Oct 2002, Timm Murray wrote: > The nice and neat way of doing it would be to repartition your hard drive to > create a bigger swap partition. Barring that, you can create a file that can > be used as a new swap device: One could also create a new partition out of any previously unallocated space, if such a beast existed 8^). The performance of a swap file in the filesystem should always be less than the performance of a dedicated swap partition just for the fact that you have to go through the filesystem layer, which is more work than not. New swap spaces should automatically have less priority than existing ones, in my experience, but you may want to explicitly check that your dedicated swap space is used first. > Next, create a loopback device for this file (be sure you have the loopback > module in your kernel), and format it as a swap device: I've done this a few times when I've been running memory intensive jobs and needed more memory _NOW_ and have found these steps unnecessary. Just for clarification you should be able to: mkswap /path/to/file swapon /path/to/file without explicitly defining a loopback block device. You can also set this in /etc/fstab to mount on boot, which is handy if you make this permanent. Note that I'm not entirely sure that you will gain significant benefit from more swap, unless you are pressed for memory. Excpet for kernels between 2.4.0 and 2.4.9 that use the Rik van Riel VM subsystem, total swap space is just added linearily to system memory and there is no magic "right" amount of swap wrt real memory. In any case real memory is still reletively cheap, so popping in 128M is probably a good thing. -- Mark Tinberg Network Security Engineer, SecurePipe Inc. Remember: Wherever you go, there you are! Key fingerprint = AF6B 0294 EE33 D802 F7A1 38A4 CF52 5FE0 7470 E5F7 Your daily fortune . . . It is the nature of extreme self-lovers, as they will set an house on fire, and it were but to roast their eggs. -- Francis Bacon From hardburn at runbox.com Tue Oct 1 22:35:08 2002 From: hardburn at runbox.com (Timm Murray) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 22:35:08 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] Changing Size of Swap Partition In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200210012235.12822.hardburn@runbox.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 01 October 2002 19:49, Mark Tinberg wrote: > On Tue, 1 Oct 2002, Timm Murray wrote: > > The nice and neat way of doing it would be to repartition your hard drive > > to create a bigger swap partition. Barring that, you can create a file > > that can be used as a new swap device: > > One could also create a new partition out of any previously unallocated > space, if such a beast existed 8^). The performance of a swap file in the > filesystem should always be less than the performance of a dedicated swap > partition just for the fact that you have to go through the filesystem > layer, which is more work than not. New swap spaces should automatically > have less priority than existing ones, in my experience, but you may want > to explicitly check that your dedicated swap space is used first. Yeah, I agree. You should use a new partition if you can. For better or for worse, I completely fill all my partitions when I have a new hard drive. > > > Next, create a loopback device for this file (be sure you have the > > loopback module in your kernel), and format it as a swap device: > > I've done this a few times when I've been running memory intensive jobs > and needed more memory _NOW_ and have found these steps unnecessary. Just > for clarification you should be able to: > > mkswap /path/to/file > swapon /path/to/file > > without explicitly defining a loopback block device. You can also set > this in /etc/fstab to mount on boot, which is handy if you make this > permanent. Hmm, good to know. > > Note that I'm not entirely sure that you will gain significant benefit > from more swap, unless you are pressed for memory. Excpet for kernels > between 2.4.0 and 2.4.9 that use the Rik van Riel VM subsystem, total swap > space is just added linearily to system memory and there is no magic > "right" amount of swap wrt real memory. In any case real memory is still > reletively cheap, so popping in 128M is probably a good thing. It was amazing how much better everything ran on my system after 2.4.10 . . . - -- X windows: The closer you look, the cruftier we look. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAj2aaW8ACgkQqpueKcacfLTsjgCguqyj9FEL+oYxV4nT8ALqRTTZ qkYAn3UbmIbkQrHHzUpy0CAlFylNyZfK =8Zo7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mtinberg at securepipe.com Wed Oct 2 23:03:19 2002 From: mtinberg at securepipe.com (Mark Tinberg) Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 23:03:19 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Madlug] Changing Size of Swap Partition In-Reply-To: <200210012235.12822.hardburn@runbox.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 1 Oct 2002, Timm Murray wrote: > It was amazing how much better everything ran on my system after 2.4.10 . . . > Heh, effing-A!. I'm running a very stable, and nicely patched 2.4.9 (RedHat) kernel, and it still has "swap storms" where it decided to swap out/in a bunch of data, causing the machine to stop processing completely for ~10-20 seconds. -- Mark Tinberg Network Security Engineer, SecurePipe Inc. Remember: Wherever you go, there you are! Key fingerprint = AF6B 0294 EE33 D802 F7A1 38A4 CF52 5FE0 7470 E5F7 Your daily fortune . . . Beware of geeks bearing graft. From michaelchuck at students.wisc.edu Wed Oct 2 23:39:30 2002 From: michaelchuck at students.wisc.edu (Jon Michaelchuck) Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 23:39:30 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] Wanted: 2.5 - 5 gb ide hard drive Message-ID: <20021002233930.C6711@blackbox.mad.chartermi.net> Hi, I was wondering if anyone out there has any spare small (functioning) ide hard drives, ie 2.5-5gb, that they would be willing to part with for a few bucks. I could pick it up... Thanks, Jon From rferguson at voyager.net Thu Oct 3 06:42:59 2002 From: rferguson at voyager.net (raymond) Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 07:42:59 -0400 Subject: [Madlug] Has anyone used Sourcerer GNU Linux? Message-ID: <200210030743.00029.rferguson@voyager.net> http://sorcerer.wox.org I was considering checking this out. It sounds neat. I wonder how it compares to Gentoo? Anyone have experience with it? -ray -- THE PRINCIPAL'S TOUPEE IS NOT A FRISBEE THE PRINCIPAL'S TOUPEE IS NOT A FRISBEE THE PRINCIPAL'S TOUPEE IS NOT A FRISBEE THE PRINCIPAL'S TOUPEE IS NOT A FRISBEE Bart Simpson on chalkboard in episode 9F12 From tom.landmann at upsidedownkingdom.org Thu Oct 3 11:10:49 2002 From: tom.landmann at upsidedownkingdom.org (Thomas Landmann) Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 11:10:49 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] Linux LAN Party Alpha Test - Friday October 11th - 7pm Message-ID: I'm thinking of having a small (4-6 player) Linux LAN Party get-together. This is because I can't wait to play until I have the time to arrange something on a larger scale. I can offer my house in Stoughton as a possible location, though we are doing some remodeling and I can't make any guarantees except a horizontal surface, power and network. Alternate location suggestions are welcome. Offical start time will be 7pm, but you might want to arrive early if you will need help configuring 3D support. I'm a pro at nvidia setup, but we can probably get non-nvidia cards working too. I'm thinking we'll play the Unreal Tournament 2003 Demo for sure. If you would like me to have additional game servers running just let me know. We could potentially play Quake3 Arena, Soldier of Fortune, and Unreal Tournament, but I don't currently have them installed. The UT2003 demo rocks and is super easy to install, suffering only from a shortage of maps. We'll order some pizza if there is interest (bring a few bucks to contribute) and I'll have cheap pop on hand (otherwise BYOB). If you are interested please RSVP ASAP. More details will follow as things come together. Thanks, Tom aka "ZombieChick" From kaufman at orion.physics.wisc.edu Thu Oct 3 23:57:09 2002 From: kaufman at orion.physics.wisc.edu (Mike Kaufman) Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 23:57:09 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] help with email redirection Message-ID: <20021003235709.M26002@trajan.zapto.org> I'm having some trouble sending mail to sourceforge addresses... My home machine is hooked up to the campus modem pool, and when I attempt to send mail to a sourceforge it's returns as undeliverable... ... while talking to mail.sourceforge.net.: >>> DATA <<< 550-Envelope sender verification failed <<< 550 rejected: Cannot route to envelope sender (The +envelope sender does not exist according to your mail server when it was asked): +response from orpheus.physics.wisc.edu [123.456.789.0] was 550 5.7.1 +... Relaying denied 554 5.0.0 someuser at users.sourceforge.net... Service unavailable My setup: I own a machine on campus with a static ip address and sendmail. On campus use that machine to check mail. At home I dial in and use fetchmail to get my mail from the campus machine. At home I got a hostname from no-ip.com (trajan.zapto.org). I set my MXs to orpheus.physics.wisc.edu and orion.physics.wisc.edu (both machines I own on campus with static ips) I dislike bothering with the reply-to in email headers so at home I 'spoof' my email headers as: From: Mike Kaufman using my MUA. This works alright most of the time, until a server like sourceforge sees if it's possible to bounce a message back to the sender. Since I'm not completely rewriting my header, I still have: >From kauf at trajan.zapto.org Thu Oct 3 18:16:04 2002 Return-Path: at the top of my messages. What do I need to do to make sourceforge feel better about the situation? What kind of magic do I need to work in the sendmail config files? Any help is appreciated. -mike From jschaupp at students.wisc.edu Fri Oct 4 15:03:32 2002 From: jschaupp at students.wisc.edu (JUERGEN SCHAUPP) Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 15:03:32 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] PPP setup problem in RH 8 Message-ID: <2a1e492a1372.2a13722a1e49@wiscmail.wisc.edu> I installed RH 8, and now my dialup is broken. This is probably not a RH 8 problem, it's just that I upgraded several times already and some of the configuration is new and some is rather old. What happens: I dial up and as soon as pppd starts, it dies with error 2. Dialup isn't the problem. Wvdial connects, gives the username and password, starts pppd - which then dies. I tried it as root, so permission shouldn't be the problem either. If I do ifup ppp0, pppd dies again. It tells me, that ppp0 doesn't exist ??? Confused Juergen From mtinberg at securepipe.com Fri Oct 4 17:44:10 2002 From: mtinberg at securepipe.com (Mark Tinberg) Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 17:44:10 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Madlug] help with email redirection In-Reply-To: <20021003235709.M26002@trajan.zapto.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 3 Oct 2002, Mike Kaufman wrote: > ... while talking to mail.sourceforge.net.: > >>> DATA > <<< 550-Envelope sender verification failed > <<< 550 rejected: Cannot route to envelope sender > (The > +envelope sender does not exist according to your mail server when it was > asked): > +response from orpheus.physics.wisc.edu [123.456.789.0] was 550 5.7.1 > +... Relaying denied > 554 5.0.0 someuser at users.sourceforge.net... Service unavailable > This is exactally right. It appears that while you have your MX records in DNS for trajan.zapto.org pointing to orpheus and orion, you have not configured them to accept mail for your domain. SourceForge is (prudently, imho) checking to make sure that the return mail path, for bounces etc., is OK and it is not, the return path is bogus. I believe if you configure your mailservers to accept mail for trajan.zapto.org and forward it to you everything will be peachy, inconsistant mail headers and envelope not withstanding. > At home I got a hostname from no-ip.com (trajan.zapto.org). I set my MXs to > orpheus.physics.wisc.edu and orion.physics.wisc.edu (both machines I own on > campus with static ips) > I dislike bothering with the reply-to in email headers so at home I 'spoof' > my email headers as: From: Mike Kaufman > using my MUA. > > This works alright most of the time, until a server like sourceforge > sees if it's possible to bounce a message back to the sender. Since I'm not > completely rewriting my header, I still have: > > From kauf at trajan.zapto.org Thu Oct 3 18:16:04 2002 > Return-Path: > -- Mark Tinberg Network Security Engineer, SecurePipe Inc. Remember: Wherever you go, there you are! Key fingerprint = AF6B 0294 EE33 D802 F7A1 38A4 CF52 5FE0 7470 E5F7 From mtinberg at securepipe.com Fri Oct 4 17:47:56 2002 From: mtinberg at securepipe.com (Mark Tinberg) Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 17:47:56 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Madlug] PPP setup problem in RH 8 In-Reply-To: <2a1e492a1372.2a13722a1e49@wiscmail.wisc.edu> Message-ID: On Fri, 4 Oct 2002, JUERGEN SCHAUPP wrote: > I installed RH 8, and now my dialup is broken. This is probably not a RH I believe that RH8 has an "Internet Connection Wizard" (that may be a frontend to wvdial). It probably wouldn't hurt to just walk through this again, they may have changed/moved some config file or script that is causing your old wvdial setup to fail. Running through the dialup setup again should set everything the way it needs to work for RH8 (I would guess...) -- Mark Tinberg Network Security Engineer, SecurePipe Inc. Remember: Wherever you go, there you are! Key fingerprint = AF6B 0294 EE33 D802 F7A1 38A4 CF52 5FE0 7470 E5F7 Your daily fortune . . . ... this must be what it's like to be a COLLEGE GRADUATE!! From snowfall at mailbag.com Fri Oct 4 18:56:51 2002 From: snowfall at mailbag.com (snowfall) Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 18:56:51 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] PPP setup problem in RH 8 In-Reply-To: <2a1e492a1372.2a13722a1e49@wiscmail.wisc.edu> References: <2a1e492a1372.2a13722a1e49@wiscmail.wisc.edu> Message-ID: <20021004185651.30b095cc.snowfall@mailbag.com> On Fri, 04 Oct 2002 15:03:32 -0500 JUERGEN SCHAUPP wrote: > I installed RH 8, and now my dialup is broken. This is probably not a > RH 8 problem, it's just that I upgraded several times already and some > of the configuration is new and some is rather old. > What happens: > I dial up and as soon as pppd starts, it dies with error 2. Error 2 says: An error was detected in processing the options given, such as two mutually exclusive options being used. (check out man pppd) The options are in this file (in previous RHs anyway): /etc/ppp/options The only options now I use are: lock noauth noipdefault usepeerdns (that's the entire content of my /etc/ppp/options) If you want to see what the various options mean, look at the man page again. Other options I have used previously include defaultroute (if you are not using a network with the machine in question) and crtscts (which may be obsolete by now, I haven't used it in a while. I think the default is now to enable crtscts and if you need to disable it you specify nocrtscts). If you want to see what any of your options do, see the man page. If you find weird options in etc/ppp/options comment them out and try dialing up again. You can always put them back if you break something. If the machine thinks ppp0 doesn't exist, it sounds like RH got rid of it when you reconfigured your dialup and may have set up a new service ppp1 or some other name. You could try ifup ppp1 if editing /options doesn't help. Also find where your ppp log file is going and look to see what goes wrong during authentication, after dialup but before ppp dies. It could be something as simple as a bad password. MP From pali at charter.net Sat Oct 5 09:55:05 2002 From: pali at charter.net (pali) Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 09:55:05 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] RE: Madlug digest, Vol 1 #930 - 4 msgs In-Reply-To: <20021005112948.26405.45898.Mailman@franz.stat.wisc.edu> Message-ID: <000001c26c7f$30f8bfd0$e65ebc42@mdsn1.wi.home.com> I wanted to let everyone know that I enjoyed meeting you at the coffee shop. This is for the person who disconnected the fan on their CPU do to the noise. Your fan is set to run at 12 Volts but you can run it at 7 volts and it will be quieter and still move a little air over your heat sink. Take the power and ground wires from the CPU fan and connect them to the 12 and 5 volt wires from a standard power supply connector that you use for a hard drive or CD rom drive. You will have to do some splicing because the connectors wont match but then you fan will be a little quieter and still give you some cooling. HTH thank you for your time and have a good day Mike Daugird From wa4chq at qsl.net Sat Oct 5 12:57:26 2002 From: wa4chq at qsl.net (wa4chq at qsl.net) Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 13:57:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Madlug] Thanks Ernie Message-ID: Greetings group- And what a good group indeed. One of the Madlug members (Ernie) supplied me with the latest copy of Debian. I haven't got it working totally 100% but I am almost there. Thanks again, Ernie! All the best-- Neil T. -- http://www.qsl.net/wa4chq _ ___ _ _ _ ___ __ | | |_ _| \| | | | \ \/ / | |__ | || .` | |_| |> < |____|___|_|\_|\___//_/\_\ From don_schultz at panvera.com Sat Oct 5 15:27:21 2002 From: don_schultz at panvera.com (Don Schultz) Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 15:27:21 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] 21" monitors, i have 3 of them for sale Message-ID: <72CF2973A7532D478D85271D40F608FC3A185C@mercury.panvera.com> for sale I have 2 nokia 445x pro 21" monitors, they're both off corporate lease and have been inspected and refurbished if needed. both work perfectly and are in EXCELLENT condition. they accept either bnc or vga inputs and has a switch on the front for switching between the 2 inputs. -i'm asking $250 each and will hand-deliver them anywhere in the madison area for free I also have 1 IBM POWERdisplay 20, 21" monitor, missing the front controls cover, the screen is nice and still very usable but does not converge fully, some areas of the screen are a tiny bit out of focus as what usually happens to some trinitron screens. I'm asking $100 for it and again, will hand deliver anywhere in madison for free. -don schultz- From will at upl.cs.wisc.edu Sun Oct 6 11:07:44 2002 From: will at upl.cs.wisc.edu (Will McDonald) Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 11:07:44 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] Re: Fan quieting In-Reply-To: <000001c26c7f$30f8bfd0$e65ebc42@mdsn1.wi.home.com> References: <20021005112948.26405.45898.Mailman@franz.stat.wisc.edu> <000001c26c7f$30f8bfd0$e65ebc42@mdsn1.wi.home.com> Message-ID: <20021006160744.GA12107@cs.wisc.edu> Or you can buy a quieter fan. I'm very interested in quieting my computer, and I've looked into this. http://www.coldcpu.com/product.asp?alphacatid=60MM ColdCPU has cfm (cubic feet/minute) and decibel ratings for their fans. There is only one quiet 60mm fan listed here, but it only puts out 12cfm probably not enough). There are, however, a number of quiet 80mm fans, and you can buy an adapter to use on an a standard heatisnk. There are also a lot of other steps you can take to quiet your computer, such as getting a quiet PSU (http://www.xpcgear.com/quietcooling.html) using a non-standard heatsink (Zalman "flower" heatsink), replacing your case fans with quiet versions, and buying HD enclosures (http://www.xpcgear.com/quietcooling.html). Remember that sound is not linearly additive, so if you reduce all your components to ~21dB the total noise will only be slightly higher than that, and in a quiet room 21dB is considered nearly silent. Good luck! -will On Sat, Oct 05, 2002 at 09:55:05AM -0500, pali wrote: > > I wanted to let everyone know that I enjoyed meeting you at the coffee shop. > > This is for the person who disconnected the fan on their CPU do to the noise. > > Your fan is set to run at 12 Volts but you can run it at 7 volts and it will be > quieter and still move a little air over your heat sink. > Take the power and ground wires from the CPU fan and connect them to the 12 and > 5 volt wires from a standard power supply connector that you use for a hard > drive or CD rom drive. You will have to do some splicing because the connectors > wont match but then you fan will be a little quieter and still give you some > cooling. > HTH -- ---------Will McDonald-----------------will at upl.cs.wisc.edu---------- GPG encrypted mail preferred. Join the web-o-trust! Key ID: F4332B28 From pali at charter.net Sun Oct 6 13:50:47 2002 From: pali at charter.net (pali) Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 13:50:47 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] anyone see one of these? Message-ID: <000001c26d69$48af5900$e65ebc42@mdsn1.wi.home.com> http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?product_id=1957333&cat=86796&type=19& dept=3944&path=0%3A3944%3A3951%3A41937%3A86796 I was wondering about this distro. can I not use the 99 Subscription service and install normal RPM's Anyone think that I could load the new redhat on this? I have never seen a VIA C3 CPU and I remember someone speaking to the fact that certain compile options needed to be used when a C3 CPU is in the mix. I kind of like the idea of a no fan on the heatsink system. I guess the video is kind of bad but with 256 meg of mem going for 30 bucks I could get this thing to run non graphical apps. this is cheap enough for me to kick around different distros, if compiling works I could try gentoo any thoughts or experiences? Thank you for your time and have a good day Mike Daugird pali at charter.net From mwmayer at tds.net Mon Oct 7 07:16:19 2002 From: mwmayer at tds.net (Mike Mayer) Date: 07 Oct 2002 07:16:19 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] Re: Fan quieting In-Reply-To: <20021006160744.GA12107@cs.wisc.edu> References: <20021005112948.26405.45898.Mailman@franz.stat.wisc.edu> <000001c26c7f$30f8bfd0$e65ebc42@mdsn1.wi.home.com> <20021006160744.GA12107@cs.wisc.edu> Message-ID: <1033992984.14209.3.camel@auberon.circuitfarm.com> Also: http://www.quietpcusa.com/ On Sun, 2002-10-06 at 11:07, Will McDonald wrote: > Or you can buy a quieter fan. I'm very interested in quieting my > computer, and I've looked into this. > > http://www.coldcpu.com/product.asp?alphacatid=60MM > ColdCPU has cfm (cubic feet/minute) and decibel ratings for their fans. > There is only one quiet 60mm fan listed here, but it only puts out 12cfm probably not enough). There are, however, a number of quiet 80mm fans, and you can buy an adapter to use on an a standard heatisnk. > > There are also a lot of other steps you can take to quiet your computer, > such as getting a quiet PSU (http://www.xpcgear.com/quietcooling.html) > using a non-standard heatsink (Zalman "flower" heatsink), replacing your > case fans with quiet versions, and buying HD enclosures > (http://www.xpcgear.com/quietcooling.html). > > Remember that sound is not linearly additive, so if you reduce all your > components to ~21dB the total noise will only be slightly higher than > that, and in a quiet room 21dB is considered nearly silent. > > Good luck! > -will > > On Sat, Oct 05, 2002 at 09:55:05AM -0500, pali wrote: > > > > I wanted to let everyone know that I enjoyed meeting you at the coffee shop. > > > > This is for the person who disconnected the fan on their CPU do to the noise. > > > > Your fan is set to run at 12 Volts but you can run it at 7 volts and it will be > > quieter and still move a little air over your heat sink. > > Take the power and ground wires from the CPU fan and connect them to the 12 and > > 5 volt wires from a standard power supply connector that you use for a hard > > drive or CD rom drive. You will have to do some splicing because the connectors > > wont match but then you fan will be a little quieter and still give you some > > cooling. > > HTH > > -- > ---------Will McDonald-----------------will at upl.cs.wisc.edu---------- > GPG encrypted mail preferred. Join the web-o-trust! Key ID: F4332B28 > > > _______________________________________________ > Madlug mailing list - Madlug at madisonlinux.org > http://www.madisonlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/madlug -- ============================================================================= Mike Mayer mwmayer at tds.net From dbutler at impressions.com Mon Oct 7 08:30:09 2002 From: dbutler at impressions.com (Damon Butler) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 08:30:09 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] To make a modem device file Message-ID: <200210070830.09677.dbutler@impressions.com> So I'm trying to use setserial to configure my internal PCI US Robotics/3COM modem, but it complains that I don't have a device file available. (Yes, it is a hardware-controlled modem, not a winmodem. I've used it under linux before.) 'lspci -vv' has told me the IRQ and i/o port address to use, I just need a device file to configure it. None of usual /dev/ttyS* or similar device files are free for the taking, so I have to make a new one. (I'm thinking I'll make /dev/modem.) The man and info pages for mknod are easy enough to understand. I use it to make a character special file with appropriate permissions. But they also insist that I supply "major and minor device numbers" for the file. What the heck are these? And how do I determine what they should be? (Or what they already are?) --Damon From parzamendi at charter.net Mon Oct 7 10:48:28 2002 From: parzamendi at charter.net (Peter Arzamendi) Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 11:48:28 -0400 Subject: [Madlug] Capture card for Linux Message-ID: Hello All, I looking for recommendations on a video capture card for Linux. I'm looking at running FreeVo (freevo.souceforge.net) and some other apps. Capture cards are new to me so I asking for your help. Can you send me your good and bad experiences with your capture cards. thanks, Pete From ricko73 at yahoo.com Mon Oct 7 11:20:54 2002 From: ricko73 at yahoo.com (Hartman Darrick) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 09:20:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Madlug] Capture card for Linux In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20021007162054.21105.qmail@web12504.mail.yahoo.com> Pete- The WinTV Cards by Hauppauge are a good choice. You can usually pick up these on Ebay for around $50. I know there are others available that use the same BT787 chipset (bttv module). Google around a bit for some info. I've looked at the project but it's not mature enough for me yet (I'm trying too many other beta projects). If you come up with a reasonably priced multi-input/multi chip (one chip per channel) board in your search, please let me know. I'm in the process of implementing a video surveillance system (Motion--also on sf) using linux and video capture cards. I haven't had a chance to try my ATI Radeon AIW card yet. It _should_ work for capturing. It's the TV-out that's flakey with the ATI cards. Good luck, Darrick __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From bethenco at upl.cs.wisc.edu Mon Oct 7 11:36:21 2002 From: bethenco at upl.cs.wisc.edu (John Bethencourt) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 11:36:21 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] Capture card for Linux In-Reply-To: <20021007162054.21105.qmail@web12504.mail.yahoo.com>; from ricko73@yahoo.com on Mon, Oct 07, 2002 at 09:20:54AM -0700 References: <20021007162054.21105.qmail@web12504.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20021007113621.A5791@upl.cs.wisc.edu> I managed to pick up a Hauppauge BT787 card on ebay for about $20-$30 (I don't remember exactly). I've been using it for surveillance and to hook up my ps1 to my monitor. Loads of fun and easy to get working with linux. By the way, motion is a *very* cool program. It's also useful for making webcams. John Bethencourt On Mon, Oct 07, 2002 at 09:20:54AM -0700, Hartman Darrick wrote: > Pete- > > The WinTV Cards by Hauppauge are a good choice. You > can usually pick up these on Ebay for around $50. I > know there are others available that use the same > BT787 chipset (bttv module). Google around a bit for > some info. I've looked at the project but it's not > mature enough for me yet (I'm trying too many other > beta projects). If you come up with a reasonably > priced multi-input/multi chip (one chip per channel) > board in your search, please let me know. I'm in the > process of implementing a video surveillance system > (Motion--also on sf) using linux and video capture > cards. > > I haven't had a chance to try my ATI Radeon AIW card > yet. It _should_ work for capturing. It's the TV-out > that's flakey with the ATI cards. > > Good luck, > > Darrick > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More > http://faith.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > Madlug mailing list - Madlug at madisonlinux.org > http://www.madisonlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/madlug From rferguson at voyager.net Mon Oct 7 13:10:40 2002 From: rferguson at voyager.net (Ray Ferguson) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 13:10:40 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] Capture card for Linux In-Reply-To: <20021007113621.A5791@upl.cs.wisc.edu> References: <20021007162054.21105.qmail@web12504.mail.yahoo.com> <20021007113621.A5791@upl.cs.wisc.edu> Message-ID: <200210071310.40462.rferguson@voyager.net> I managed to get the ATI TV Wonder Light working on my linux box w/ the bttv mod and have been using it for some time without any complaints. Back when I was using an ATI card I used to use fbtv (frame buffer version of xawtv) with mod atyfb. Fbtv was sweet, but alas, my new NVidea card locks up if I use the kernel mod for high res fb support and the proprietary NV driver for X. This is (was) a know problem that their suggested fix was choosing one or the other. I should check the latest release notes for NVdriver to see whussup. Maybe they fixed it. Anyway, the ati card was dirt cheap at around $20 or $30 dollars new. -ray. On Monday 07 October 2002 11:36 am, John Bethencourt wrote: > I managed to pick up a Hauppauge BT787 card on ebay for about $20-$30 > (I don't remember exactly). I've been using it for surveillance and to > hook up my ps1 to my monitor. Loads of fun and easy to get working with > linux. By the way, motion is a *very* cool program. It's also useful > for making webcams. > > John Bethencourt > > On Mon, Oct 07, 2002 at 09:20:54AM -0700, Hartman Darrick wrote: > > Pete- > > > > The WinTV Cards by Hauppauge are a good choice. You > > can usually pick up these on Ebay for around $50. I > > know there are others available that use the same > > BT787 chipset (bttv module). Google around a bit for > > some info. I've looked at the project but it's not > > mature enough for me yet (I'm trying too many other > > beta projects). If you come up with a reasonably > > priced multi-input/multi chip (one chip per channel) > > board in your search, please let me know. I'm in the > > process of implementing a video surveillance system > > (Motion--also on sf) using linux and video capture > > cards. > > > > I haven't had a chance to try my ATI Radeon AIW card > > yet. It _should_ work for capturing. It's the TV-out > > that's flakey with the ATI cards. > > > > Good luck, > > > > Darrick > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More > > http://faith.yahoo.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Madlug mailing list - Madlug at madisonlinux.org > > http://www.madisonlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/madlug > > _______________________________________________ > Madlug mailing list - Madlug at madisonlinux.org > http://www.madisonlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/madlug From jschaupp at students.wisc.edu Mon Oct 7 14:02:00 2002 From: jschaupp at students.wisc.edu (jschaupp) Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 14:02:00 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] PPP setup problem in RH 8 References: <2a1e492a1372.2a13722a1e49@wiscmail.wisc.edu> <20021004185651.30b095cc.snowfall@mailbag.com> Message-ID: <3DA1DA28.7020901@wisc.edu> snowfall wrote: >On Fri, 04 Oct 2002 15:03:32 -0500 >JUERGEN SCHAUPP wrote: > > > >>I installed RH 8, and now my dialup is broken. This is probably not a >>RH 8 problem, it's just that I upgraded several times already and some >>of the configuration is new and some is rather old. >>What happens: >>I dial up and as soon as pppd starts, it dies with error 2. >> >> > > >Error 2 says: An error was detected in processing the options > given, such as two mutually exclusive options being > used. >(check out man pppd) > >The options are in this file (in previous RHs anyway): >/etc/ppp/options > >The only options now I use are: >lock >noauth >noipdefault >usepeerdns > >(that's the entire content of my /etc/ppp/options) > >If you want to see what the various options mean, look at >the man page again. Other options I have used previously >include defaultroute (if you are not using a network with >the machine in question) and crtscts (which may be obsolete >by now, I haven't used it in a while. I think the default >is now to enable crtscts and if you need to disable it >you specify nocrtscts). If you want to see >what any of your options do, see the man page. > >If you find weird options in etc/ppp/options >comment them out and try dialing up again. You can >always put them back if you break something. > >If the machine thinks ppp0 doesn't exist, it sounds like >RH got rid of it when you reconfigured your dialup and may >have set up a new service ppp1 or some other name. You >could try ifup ppp1 if editing /options doesn't help. > >Also find where your ppp log file is going and look >to see what goes wrong during authentication, after >dialup but before ppp dies. It could be something as >simple as a bad password. > >MP > > I used to have an options file with just 'lock' in it and it used to work in 7.3 I checked /var/log/messages and the logfile showed that it was looking for some modules that don't exist. Anyway, I changed the options file and made sure they are the same in the peers configuration (for wvdial). I also got ppp0 back. Now, pppd starts and hangs. Actually, it doesn't hang: ppp0 is "up", ifconfig shows it with an address of 10.64.64.64 (haha) but it just doesn't use the modem. The network seems to be completly screwed up. I checked some newsgroups and found people with the same problem after getting RH8.0. So, now I think that it really *is* a RH 8.0 problem. I quess, I have a mixture of new and old settings in different places (RH 8 introduced some new and additional places where to store network setings). I will have to get rid of everything and rebuild the network settings. Ironically, dialup always worked before. It's just that the ppp scripts relied on ipchains, which means I couldn't switch to iptables without rewriting some scripts. I didn't want to do that and thought upgrading to 8.0 was the easier way :) Juergen From mtinberg at securepipe.com Mon Oct 7 17:40:28 2002 From: mtinberg at securepipe.com (Mark Tinberg) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 17:40:28 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Madlug] To make a modem device file In-Reply-To: <200210070830.09677.dbutler@impressions.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 7 Oct 2002, Damon Butler wrote: > So I'm trying to use setserial to configure my internal PCI US Robotics/3COM > modem, but it complains that I don't have a device file available. (Yes, it > is a hardware-controlled modem, not a winmodem. I've used it under linux > before.) 'lspci -vv' has told me the IRQ and i/o port address to use, I just > need a device file to configure it. None of usual /dev/ttyS* or similar > device files are free for the taking, so I have to make a new one. (I'm > thinking I'll make /dev/modem.) > I don't think that you need to use mknod to create more ttyS* device files, just use one that you have. 1) grep tty /var/log/dmesg * This will tell you what serial devices it has already detected and are not available for you to use for the 3Com. 2) setserial /dev/ttyS${available number} port $IOPORT irq $IRQ autoconfig Tada! Should work. Also note that on some newer distros, PCI serial devices like the 3Com modem are detected automatically, be aware of this when you look through the dmesg output. You may not have to do anything at all! -- Mark Tinberg Network Security Engineer, SecurePipe Inc. Remember: Wherever you go, there you are! Key fingerprint = AF6B 0294 EE33 D802 F7A1 38A4 CF52 5FE0 7470 E5F7 Your daily fortune . . . There never was a good war or a bad peace. -- B. Franklin From hardburn at runbox.com Mon Oct 7 16:43:20 2002 From: hardburn at runbox.com (Timm Murray) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 16:43:20 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] To make a modem device file In-Reply-To: <200210070830.09677.dbutler@impressions.com> References: <200210070830.09677.dbutler@impressions.com> Message-ID: <200210071643.26637.hardburn@runbox.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 07 October 2002 08:30, Damon Butler wrote: > So I'm trying to use setserial to configure my internal PCI US > Robotics/3COM modem, but it complains that I don't have a device file > available. (Yes, it is a hardware-controlled modem, not a winmodem. I've > used it under linux before.) 'lspci -vv' has told me the IRQ and i/o port > address to use, I just need a device file to configure it. None of usual > /dev/ttyS* or similar device files are free for the taking, so I have to > make a new one. (I'm thinking I'll make /dev/modem.) > > The man and info pages for mknod are easy enough to understand. I use it to > make a character special file with appropriate permissions. But they also > insist that I supply "major and minor device numbers" for the file. What > the heck are these? And how do I determine what they should be? (Or what > they already are?) I also have a US Robotics PCI modem. Mine sits on /dev/ttyS4 (that's COM5 in DOS). I didn't orginally have that file, so I had to create it (though now I use devfs). [1635-/dev/pts/10][timm~]$ ls -l /dev/ttyS* lr-xr-xr-x 1 root root 5 Sep 6 14:10 /dev/ttyS0 -> tts/0 lr-xr-xr-x 1 root root 5 Sep 6 14:10 /dev/ttyS1 -> tts/1 lr-xr-xr-x 1 root root 5 Sep 6 14:10 /dev/ttyS4 -> tts/4 [1635-/dev/pts/10][timm~]$ ls -l /dev/tts/? crw-rw---- 1 root dialout 4, 64 Dec 31 1969 /dev/tts/0 crw-rw---- 1 root dialout 4, 65 Dec 31 1969 /dev/tts/1 crw-r----- 1 root dialout 4, 68 Oct 7 16:20 /dev/tts/4 [1635-/dev/pts/10][timm~]$ See the extra entry in the 'ls -l' output? 4 is the major number, and 6x is the minor numbers. The minor numbers are: 64=ttyS0 65=ttyS1 66=ttyS2 67=ttyS3 68=ttyS4 And so on. Essentially, the kernel doesn't care what you actually call your device. It just matches the major-minor numbers with a particular driver and sends any communications specified for those numbers to that driver. Take a look at the output of 'dmesg' on your system. It should probably say something about your modem being intitilized on a certain device. Create that device in your /dev. The offical major-minor numbers are documented in the kernel sources under Documentation/devices.txt. - -- Behind every great computer sits a skinny little geek. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAj2h//0ACgkQqpueKcacfLRQ+gCfUguVOYKfl/49cOoP8NRZC4Vt 1OgAn1Jv/ZZAqgABUL/3Ru5JGlS6DS1A =PQiW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dbutler at impressions.com Tue Oct 8 08:25:02 2002 From: dbutler at impressions.com (Damon Butler) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 08:25:02 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] To make a modem device file In-Reply-To: <200210071643.26637.hardburn@runbox.com> References: <200210070830.09677.dbutler@impressions.com> <200210071643.26637.hardburn@runbox.com> Message-ID: <200210080825.02698.dbutler@impressions.com> Thanks for all the info, everyone. I didn't get all the messages before I went home yesterday, unfortnately, but I was able to create a new device file and hook my modem up to it. It would work ... until I restarted my computer, when I would continually get "Modem Busy" errors (essentially) when trying to access it. Frustrating. Delete device, turn off computer, turn on computer, recreate device .... Ugh. Something was definitely wrong. > I also have a US Robotics PCI modem. Mine sits on /dev/ttyS4 (that's COM5 > in DOS). I didn't orginally have that file, so I had to create it (though > now I use devfs). > > crw-r----- 1 root dialout 4, 68 Oct 7 16:20 /dev/tts/4 > [1635-/dev/pts/10][timm~]$ I'm using devfs, too, and I also have the /dev/tts/4 entry. Last night I assumed it was already "in use" by something, since no query to my modem through the usual channels under my previous linux distro worked. Hence my assumption that I had to create a new device file. It did occur to me on my walk to work just now to try using tts/4. I'll try linking /dev/modem to /dev/tts/4 tonight and see if that fixes everything. I expect it will. Thanks for the suggestion. > Take a look at the output of 'dmesg' on your system. It should probably > say something about your modem being intitilized on a certain device. Interesting that a few of you mentioned dmesg. I've already done that -- and there's a curious error message.... ----- [...] pty: 256 Unix98 ptys configured Serial driver version 5.05c (2001-07-08) with MANY_PORTS SHARE_IRQ SERIAL_PCI enabled ttyS00 at 0x03f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A ttyS01 at 0x02f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A Redundant entry in serial pci_table. Please send the output of lspci -vv, this message (12b9,1008,12b9,00a2) and the manufacturer and name of serial board or modem board to serial-pci-info at lists.sourceforge.net. ttyS04 at port 0xec00 (irq = 11) is a 16550A [...] ----- I sent the entirety of the dmesg output plus the output of lspci -vv to the listed e-mail address about 6 days ago, but haven't heard anything back. I have ttyS# entries, under /dev/tts/, of 1, 2, and 4. I presume the 2 entry is the redundant one, and (as we just mentioned), 4 would be the modem. Does anybody on this list know what might be happening with my computer? I don't notice any problems from having a "redundant entry" in my "serial pci_table". --Damon From scott at wysereeser.com Mon Oct 7 15:05:09 2002 From: scott at wysereeser.com (scott reeser) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 15:05:09 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Madlug] Capture card for Linux In-Reply-To: <200210071310.40462.rferguson@voyager.net> References: <20021007162054.21105.qmail@web12504.mail.yahoo.com> <20021007113621.A5791@upl.cs.wisc.edu> <200210071310.40462.rferguson@voyager.net> Message-ID: <60602.128.104.226.3.1034021109.squirrel@mail.wysereeser.com> Just a curious point, but is the ATI TV Wonder Light you mention, the same as the ATI TV Wonder VE? Initial glance, I couldn't find a listing for the *Light* version. scott > I managed to get the ATI TV Wonder Light working on my linux box w/ the > bttv mod and have been using it for some time without any complaints. > Back when I was using an ATI card I used to use fbtv (frame buffer > version of xawtv) with mod atyfb. Fbtv was sweet, but alas, my new > NVidea card locks up if I use the kernel mod for high res fb support > and the proprietary NV driver for X. This is (was) a know problem that > their suggested fix was choosing one or the other. I should check the > latest release notes for NVdriver to see whussup. Maybe they fixed it. > Anyway, the ati card was dirt cheap at around $20 or $30 dollars new. > > -ray. > > On Monday 07 October 2002 11:36 am, John Bethencourt wrote: >> I managed to pick up a Hauppauge BT787 card on ebay for about $20-$30 >> (I don't remember exactly). I've been using it for surveillance and to >> hook up my ps1 to my monitor. Loads of fun and easy to get working >> with linux. By the way, motion is a *very* cool program. It's also >> useful for making webcams. >> >> John Bethencourt >> >> On Mon, Oct 07, 2002 at 09:20:54AM -0700, Hartman Darrick wrote: >> > Pete- >> > >> > The WinTV Cards by Hauppauge are a good choice. You >> > can usually pick up these on Ebay for around $50. I >> > know there are others available that use the same >> > BT787 chipset (bttv module). Google around a bit for >> > some info. I've looked at the project but it's not >> > mature enough for me yet (I'm trying too many other >> > beta projects). If you come up with a reasonably >> > priced multi-input/multi chip (one chip per channel) >> > board in your search, please let me know. I'm in the >> > process of implementing a video surveillance system >> > (Motion--also on sf) using linux and video capture >> > cards. >> > >> > I haven't had a chance to try my ATI Radeon AIW card >> > yet. It _should_ work for capturing. It's the TV-out >> > that's flakey with the ATI cards. >> > >> > Good luck, >> > >> > Darrick >> > >> > __________________________________________________ >> > Do you Yahoo!? >> > Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More >> > http://faith.yahoo.com >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Madlug mailing list - Madlug at madisonlinux.org >> > http://www.madisonlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/madlug >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Madlug mailing list - Madlug at madisonlinux.org >> http://www.madisonlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/madlug > > > _______________________________________________ > Madlug mailing list - Madlug at madisonlinux.org > http://www.madisonlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/madlug From ricko73 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 8 10:04:19 2002 From: ricko73 at yahoo.com (Hartman Darrick) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 08:04:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Madlug] Capture card for Linux In-Reply-To: <60602.128.104.226.3.1034021109.squirrel@mail.wysereeser.com> Message-ID: <20021008150419.41154.qmail@web12505.mail.yahoo.com> VE and Light are the same thing. VE is the newer version where Light was their old designation. --- scott reeser wrote: > Just a curious point, but is the ATI TV Wonder Light > you mention, the same > as the ATI TV Wonder VE? Initial glance, I couldn't > find a listing for the > *Light* version. > > scott > > > > I managed to get the ATI TV Wonder Light working > on my linux box w/ the > > bttv mod and have been using it for some time > without any complaints. > > Back when I was using an ATI card I used to use > fbtv (frame buffer > > version of xawtv) with mod atyfb. Fbtv was > sweet, but alas, my new > > NVidea card locks up if I use the kernel mod for > high res fb support > > and the proprietary NV driver for X. This is > (was) a know problem that > > their suggested fix was choosing one or the > other. I should check the > > latest release notes for NVdriver to see whussup. > Maybe they fixed it. > > Anyway, the ati card was dirt cheap at around $20 > or $30 dollars new. > > > > -ray. > > > > On Monday 07 October 2002 11:36 am, John > Bethencourt wrote: > >> I managed to pick up a Hauppauge BT787 card on > ebay for about $20-$30 > >> (I don't remember exactly). I've been using it > for surveillance and to > >> hook up my ps1 to my monitor. Loads of fun and > easy to get working > >> with linux. By the way, motion is a *very* cool > program. It's also > >> useful for making webcams. > >> > >> John Bethencourt > >> > >> On Mon, Oct 07, 2002 at 09:20:54AM -0700, Hartman > Darrick wrote: > >> > Pete- > >> > > >> > The WinTV Cards by Hauppauge are a good choice. > You > >> > can usually pick up these on Ebay for around > $50. I > >> > know there are others available that use the > same > >> > BT787 chipset (bttv module). Google around a > bit for > >> > some info. I've looked at the project but it's > not > >> > mature enough for me yet (I'm trying too many > other > >> > beta projects). If you come up with a > reasonably > >> > priced multi-input/multi chip (one chip per > channel) > >> > board in your search, please let me know. I'm > in the > >> > process of implementing a video surveillance > system > >> > (Motion--also on sf) using linux and video > capture > >> > cards. > >> > > >> > I haven't had a chance to try my ATI Radeon AIW > card > >> > yet. It _should_ work for capturing. It's the > TV-out > >> > that's flakey with the ATI cards. > >> > > >> > Good luck, > >> > > >> > Darrick > >> > > >> > > __________________________________________________ > >> > Do you Yahoo!? > >> > Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & > More > >> > http://faith.yahoo.com > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Madlug mailing list - Madlug at madisonlinux.org > >> > > http://www.madisonlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/madlug > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Madlug mailing list - Madlug at madisonlinux.org > >> > http://www.madisonlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/madlug > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Madlug mailing list - Madlug at madisonlinux.org > > > http://www.madisonlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/madlug > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Madlug mailing list - Madlug at madisonlinux.org > http://www.madisonlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/madlug __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From tom.landmann at upsidedownkingdom.org Tue Oct 8 16:45:19 2002 From: tom.landmann at upsidedownkingdom.org (Thomas Landmann) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 16:45:19 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] UPDATE: Linux LAN Party Alpha Test - Friday October 11th - 7pm Message-ID: So far there are two confirmed players (three including me!). Please let me know right away if you are interested but haven't told me yet. Feel free to bring a friend, but they have to be running Linux! The details: When: Gaming begins at 7pm, come earlier to setup, even earlier if you need help configuring X for 3D. (anytime after 5:30pm is fine with me.) Where: 209 W Randolph St, Stoughton, WI 53589 http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?&country=us&addr=209+W+Randolph+St&city=Sto ughton&state=WI&zip=53589-2552&mag=9 Bring: Your gaming system, outlet strip, network patch cable, heavy-duty grounded extention cord, and a few bucks for pizza... (if I forgot to mention something, bring it anyway! ;-) Questions? Call or email me! It might be possible to support a few people remotely, if you think you'd like to join us via the net, let me know. Thanks, Tom (aka Zombiechick) zc at upsidedownkingdom.org 608-877-1104 -----Original Message----- From: madlug-admin at madisonlinux.org [mailto:madlug-admin at madisonlinux.org]On Behalf Of Thomas Landmann Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 11:11 AM To: madlug at madisonlinux.org Subject: [Madlug] Linux LAN Party Alpha Test - Friday October 11th - 7pm I'm thinking of having a small (4-6 player) Linux LAN Party get-together. This is because I can't wait to play until I have the time to arrange something on a larger scale. I can offer my house in Stoughton as a possible location, though we are doing some remodeling and I can't make any guarantees except a horizontal surface, power and network. Alternate location suggestions are welcome. Offical start time will be 7pm, but you might want to arrive early if you will need help configuring 3D support. I'm a pro at nvidia setup, but we can probably get non-nvidia cards working too. I'm thinking we'll play the Unreal Tournament 2003 Demo for sure. If you would like me to have additional game servers running just let me know. We could potentially play Quake3 Arena, Soldier of Fortune, and Unreal Tournament, but I don't currently have them installed. The UT2003 demo rocks and is super easy to install, suffering only from a shortage of maps. We'll order some pizza if there is interest (bring a few bucks to contribute) and I'll have cheap pop on hand (otherwise BYOB). If you are interested please RSVP ASAP. More details will follow as things come together. Thanks, Tom aka "ZombieChick" _______________________________________________ Madlug mailing list - Madlug at madisonlinux.org http://www.madisonlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/madlug From bates at stat.wisc.edu Tue Oct 8 17:13:33 2002 From: bates at stat.wisc.edu (Douglas Bates) Date: 08 Oct 2002 17:13:33 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] Nvidia, Debian 3.1, XFree86 4.1 Message-ID: <6rptuk37g2.fsf@bates3.stat.wisc.edu> I will be installing Debian 3.0 on a couple of new computers with Nvidia video cards (Geforce 2, MX400, 64MB). It is likely that we will switch to Debian 3.1 (testing) and install a 2.4.19 kernel and XFree86 4.1.0. I don't think I will go with the XFree86 4.2.1 packages in unstable unless there are good reasons for doing so. I will download and build the nvidia-glx-src and nvidia-kernel-src packages. Is there anything else I should do for this hardware configuration? From wa4chq at qsl.net Tue Oct 8 20:40:34 2002 From: wa4chq at qsl.net (wa4chq at qsl.net) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 21:40:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Madlug] Error message Message-ID: Greetings all- I downloaded a graphics program called "Compupic". I had no problems with the download or installing the rpm, but for some reason, some of the functions caused the program to crash. I tried running the rpm unistall, but I couldn't get that to work. Here is the error message I get: Tue Oct 8 Hello OM: compupic compupic: abnormal termination: segmentation fault Has anyone on the list used this graphic's program and encountered the error message? What is a 'segmentation fault'? Cheers- Neil T. -- http://www.qsl.net/wa4chq _ ___ _ _ _ ___ __ | | |_ _| \| | | | \ \/ / | |__ | || .` | |_| |> < |____|___|_|\_|\___//_/\_\ From rickphil at hotpop.com Tue Oct 8 20:41:12 2002 From: rickphil at hotpop.com (Rick Phillips) Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 20:41:12 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] Nvidia, Debian 3.1, XFree86 4.1 References: <6rptuk37g2.fsf@bates3.stat.wisc.edu> Message-ID: <3DA38938.4080206@hotpop.com> Read the Nvidia documentation well. While they've cleaned up their act pretty well since they first started posting their drivers, they do some things a little unusual. The GLX compile is a one time "compile". Basically the "compile" deletes the stock OpenGL files, then copies the NV_GL files to the proper directories. Nvidia's weirdest parts of this process is that the new OpenGL header files for gl.h, glx.h, and glxtokens.h are placed in "/usr/share/doc/NVIDIA_GLX-1.0/include/GL" instead of the "/usr/X11R6/include/GL", so you must manually move them into place so that any new programs you compile find the proper "NV" headers. The kernel is a little trickier. The nv_kernel compile actually creates loadable external modules in "/lib/modules/2.4.xx". The tricky part is that If you are running a 2.4.18 kernel and recompile to 2.4.19, you must reboot into the new 2.4.19 kernel version number before doing the NV_kernel compile.... you must compile the NV-kernel under the linux kernel version you plan on running. When I change kernel versions, I compile the new linux kernel, reboot into the new kernel in single-user mode, run the NV_kernel compile, then reboot back into multi-user mode. Every time you recompile your 2.4.19 kernel, you also have to re-run the nv-kernel recompile. As long as the linux kernel versions don't change, don't have to reboot before running the NV_kernel compile. Something I've noticed with the new 2.4.19 kernel.....the boys/girls working on open source are unhappy with Nvidia's closed source drivers. Every time you do an NV_kernel compile, you'll get a message about proprietary closed source modules dilluting or polluting (or something like that) the linux kernel / GPL / whatever.... Kinda makes me chuckle......reminds me of when I ran MS-Dos programs under LS-DOS (or DR-Dos if you were so inclined)...."warning...running an MS application under a non-MS operating system is risky and could permanently damage your computer....." I really miss the good old days! Douglas Bates wrote: >I will be installing Debian 3.0 on a couple of new computers with >Nvidia video cards (Geforce 2, MX400, 64MB). It is likely that we >will switch to Debian 3.1 (testing) and install a 2.4.19 kernel and >XFree86 4.1.0. I don't think I will go with the XFree86 4.2.1 >packages in unstable unless there are good reasons for doing so. > >I will download and build the nvidia-glx-src and nvidia-kernel-src >packages. Is there anything else I should do for this hardware >configuration? > > >_______________________________________________ >Madlug mailing list - Madlug at madisonlinux.org >http://www.madisonlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/madlug > > > From carder at cae.wisc.edu Tue Oct 8 22:18:55 2002 From: carder at cae.wisc.edu (Dale W. Carder) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 22:18:55 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] java question Message-ID: <20021008221854.A1378@cae.wisc.edu> After not touching java in about a year I have to ask a stupid question: Does java have associative arrays and how do they work? I want to access an array like foo[B][A][R] =0, where b,a,r are variables of type char. Otherwise i guess I will need to write a subroutine (or function, or method, whatever) That would do foo(char a, char b, char c), and it would have to map that into a regular indexed array. Dale From creining at packetfu.org Tue Oct 8 22:41:11 2002 From: creining at packetfu.org (Chris Reining) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 22:41:11 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] java question In-Reply-To: <20021008221854.A1378@cae.wisc.edu> References: <20021008221854.A1378@cae.wisc.edu> Message-ID: <20021008224111.52fc4396.creining@packetfu.org> I haven't touched java in well over a year either but here goes. Java does have associate arrays (see the Map interface in java.util) but there's no array syntax for it. You have to use get/put methods and type casts. But it's the same concept. If you're always going to have three indices, it'd be more convenient to have a class that combines the parameters into a tuple, and use that as the map key. Bye On Tue, 8 Oct 2002 22:18:55 -0500 "Dale W. Carder" wrote: > After not touching java in about a year I have to ask a stupid > question: > > Does java have associative arrays and how do they work? > > I want to access an array like foo[B][A][R] =0, > where b,a,r are variables of type char. > > Otherwise i guess I will need to write a subroutine (or function, or > method, whatever) That would do foo(char a, char b, char c), and it > would have to map that into a regular indexed array. > > Dale > > _______________________________________________ > Madlug mailing list - Madlug at madisonlinux.org > http://www.madisonlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/madlug > From willb at cs.wisc.edu Wed Oct 9 08:05:04 2002 From: willb at cs.wisc.edu (Will Benton) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 08:05:04 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] java question In-Reply-To: <20021008224111.52fc4396.creining@packetfu.org> Message-ID: Yeah, basically what you want is a hashtable or a map. The array syntax is overrated. :-) best, wb On Tuesday, October 8, 2002, at 10:41 PM, Chris Reining wrote: > I haven't touched java in well over a year either but here goes. Java > does have associate arrays (see the Map interface in java.util) but > there's no array syntax for it. You have to use get/put methods and > type > casts. But it's the same concept. > > If you're always going to have three indices, it'd be more convenient > to > have a class that combines the parameters into a tuple, and use that as > the map key. > > Bye > > On Tue, 8 Oct 2002 22:18:55 -0500 > "Dale W. Carder" wrote: > >> After not touching java in about a year I have to ask a stupid >> question: >> >> Does java have associative arrays and how do they work? >> >> I want to access an array like foo[B][A][R] =0, >> where b,a,r are variables of type char. >> >> Otherwise i guess I will need to write a subroutine (or function, or >> method, whatever) That would do foo(char a, char b, char c), and it >> would have to map that into a regular indexed array. >> >> Dale >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Madlug mailing list - Madlug at madisonlinux.org >> http://www.madisonlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/madlug >> > > _______________________________________________ > Madlug mailing list - Madlug at madisonlinux.org > http://www.madisonlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/madlug From will at upl.cs.wisc.edu Wed Oct 9 08:46:04 2002 From: will at upl.cs.wisc.edu (Will McDonald) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 08:46:04 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] Error message In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20021009134604.GB20980@cs.wisc.edu> On Tue, Oct 08, 2002 at 09:40:34PM -0400, wa4chq at qsl.net wrote: > Hello OM: compupic > compupic: abnormal termination: segmentation fault Never used the program, but you'll see more seg faults in time (though hopefully not many). A Seg fault is an error in which the program tries to access memory that is not allocated for it. Luckily the OS deals with this instead of letting the program trash the whole system, but the result is crashed (and poorly written) program. You will also hear about a program "dumping core" or producing a "core dump", which, if you have it enabled, will produce a file named 'core' that contains the memory state of the program when it terminated. This can be useful for debugging, especially during development. -will -- ---------Will McDonald-----------------will at upl.cs.wisc.edu---------- GPG encrypted mail preferred. Join the web-o-trust! Key ID: F4332B28 From don_schultz at panvera.com Wed Oct 9 14:31:23 2002 From: don_schultz at panvera.com (Don Schultz) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 14:31:23 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] Htaccess files Message-ID: <72CF2973A7532D478D85271D40F608FC2437E0@mercury.panvera.com> Every time I try to create a .htpasswd file I get this: ./htpasswd: -c and -n options conflict This is the command I'm giving: ./htpasswd -c /some/directory/.htpasswd-users Any suggestions? -don schultz- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.madisonlinux.org/pipermail/madlug/attachments/20021009/f36490f5/attachment.htm From scayford at tds.net Wed Oct 9 15:46:29 2002 From: scayford at tds.net (scayford at tds.net) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 15:46:29 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] Htaccess files In-Reply-To: <72CF2973A7532D478D85271D40F608FC2437E0@mercury.panvera.com> Message-ID: <2FEE80CF-DBC8-11D6-8846-003065ECC2BC@tds.net> Got a weird environment alias that's putting in a -n? Something strange about the htpasswd in the local directory? Just two random (not very likely) guesses. -SteveC On Wednesday, October 9, 2002, at 02:31 PM, Don Schultz wrote: > Every time I try to create a .htpasswd file I get this: > > ./htpasswd: -c and -n options conflict > > This is the command I'm giving: > > ./htpasswd -c /some/directory/.htpasswd-users > > Any suggestions? > > -don schultz- > From spiritlover666 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 10 14:07:55 2002 From: spiritlover666 at yahoo.com (Staci) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 12:07:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Madlug] That Win2000 CD Message-ID: <20021010190755.30032.qmail@web12802.mail.yahoo.com> Hey, whoever made that for me, there's no valid setup executables. How on earth do I use it then?? Please respond by personal email. Confused, staci ===== ***************************************** In cyberspace nobody can hear you scream. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH! __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From eahagglun at yahoo.com Thu Oct 10 22:17:00 2002 From: eahagglun at yahoo.com (Eric Hagglund) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 20:17:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Madlug] Having problem with Alpha Message-ID: <20021011031700.28785.qmail@web40207.mail.yahoo.com> I'm having problems getting linux onto a recently purchased a 500 MHz Alpha after attempting to put a new linux image onto it. As things currently stand I have no operating system on it and can get the BIOS to load, but any attempt to proceed beyond the AlhpaBios setup menu fails. I have flashed it with the BIOS updates that I was given, but cannot get it to go any further from there. I have tried reading the HOWTOs for installing Linux on Alpha machines but am being frustrated by the fact that the instructions for booting from a CDROM seem only to be written for those situations where users are using the ARC mode of the BIOS which is UNIX based. I have been unable to get it to load in this mode and cannot get the AlphaBios to do anything but run the update program and this is only working from TFTP (the floppy fails and even though the CDROM is recognized when the system initially loads, it does not show up as an option when selecting the operating system). Does anyone in this group have experience with this type of hardware who might be able to help me get to the next step? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From will at upl.cs.wisc.edu Fri Oct 11 08:43:05 2002 From: will at upl.cs.wisc.edu (Will McDonald) Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 08:43:05 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] Having problem with Alpha In-Reply-To: <20021011031700.28785.qmail@web40207.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20021011031700.28785.qmail@web40207.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20021011134305.GA28484@cs.wisc.edu> AlphaBIOS is a *serious* pain in the ass. I had an alpha a while ago that had a slightly non-standard BIOS (fewer google hits than other bios #s), and after trying for weeks to flash it to a point that non-WinNT would load, I realized that it just wasn't going to happen. Sorry. -w On Thu, Oct 10, 2002 at 08:17:00PM -0700, Eric Hagglund wrote: > I'm having problems getting linux onto a recently > purchased a 500 MHz Alpha after attempting to put a > new linux image onto it. As things currently stand I > have no operating system on it and can get the BIOS to > load, but any attempt to proceed beyond the AlhpaBios > setup menu fails. I have flashed it with the BIOS > updates that I was given, but cannot get it to go any > further from there. I have tried reading the HOWTOs > for installing Linux on Alpha machines but am being > frustrated by the fact that the instructions for > booting from a CDROM seem only to be written for those > situations where users are using the ARC mode of the > BIOS which is UNIX based. I have been unable to get it > to load in this mode and cannot get the AlphaBios to > do anything but run the update program and this is > only working from TFTP (the floppy fails and even > though the CDROM is recognized when the system > initially loads, it does not show up as an option when > selecting the operating system). Does anyone in this > group have experience with this type of hardware who > might be able to help me get to the next step? > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More > http://faith.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > Madlug mailing list - Madlug at madisonlinux.org > http://www.madisonlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/madlug -- ---------Will McDonald-----------------will at upl.cs.wisc.edu---------- GPG encrypted mail preferred. Join the web-o-trust! Key ID: F4332B28 From kanouse at merr.com Fri Oct 11 10:38:16 2002 From: kanouse at merr.com (Dennis) Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 10:38:16 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] Types of memory Message-ID: <15344128923225@merr.com> Can I use PC133 memory for a mother board that uses DDR 2100 memory, until I get the newer memory type? -Dennis From will at upl.cs.wisc.edu Fri Oct 11 10:37:46 2002 From: will at upl.cs.wisc.edu (Will McDonald) Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 10:37:46 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] Types of memory In-Reply-To: <15344128923225@merr.com> References: <15344128923225@merr.com> Message-ID: <20021011153746.GA28682@cs.wisc.edu> No, they're physically incompatible. If you look at them (or the slots), they have a different number of pins and different notchings. Unless your motherboard, like mine, has both DDR slots and SDRAM slots. It can use either-but-not-both kinds. -w On Fri, Oct 11, 2002 at 10:38:16AM -0500, Dennis wrote: > Can I use PC133 memory for a mother board that uses DDR 2100 memory, until I > get the newer memory type? -- ---------Will McDonald-----------------will at upl.cs.wisc.edu---------- GPG encrypted mail preferred. Join the web-o-trust! Key ID: F4332B28 From ds3 at tds.net Fri Oct 11 11:11:51 2002 From: ds3 at tds.net (Ernest Stracener) Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 11:11:51 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] release announcement: KPSK (for ham radio) Message-ID: <200210111611.g9BGBprL027413@im2.sec.tds.net> For any amateur radio operators that may be on the MADLUG list, following is a release announcement of a project that I have been involved with for the past several months. 73- Ernie, kg9ni http://sf.net/projects/kpsk http://1409.org/projects/kpsk After about a month of testing KPSK v1.0rc1, v1.0 final has been released. Source archives are available at the addresses above. KPSK is a psk31 application for the KDE desktop. Features include: -Simple, feature-filled user interface -DCD "S-meter" for signal quality determination -Grayscale waterfall option for finding/working weak signals -Simultaneous monitoring of up to four PSK31 signals -User-configurable waterfall colors, fonts, window backgrounds. -Auto-scaling waterfall -Optimization to provide IMD data only when the measurement is valid -Twelve user-defined fixedtexts (TX macros), available by mouse or F1-F12 keys -Integral BerkeleyDB-based QSO logbook -BPSK or QPSK operation -Automatic and manual modes for calling CQ -Ability to send an ASCII text file -Extensive application documentation KPSK was developed by Luc Langehegermann (LX2GT), David Kjellquist(WB5NHL), and Ernest Stracener (KG9NI) with contributions from many others along the way. From pali at charter.net Sat Oct 12 16:59:24 2002 From: pali at charter.net (pali) Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 16:59:24 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] memory In-Reply-To: <20021012113002.16426.84532.Mailman@franz.stat.wisc.edu> Message-ID: <000001c2723a$a0482ef0$e65ebc42@mdsn1.wi.home.com> this kind of depends on the motherboard. The ECS K7S5A has slots for SDR and DDR memory, but you can't have both at the same time. Last night at the Lan Party I had this motherboard running redhat 8.0 and with Tom's and Vince's help we got it running UT2003 on board sound and lan. I use (2) sticks of DDR memory. but I could use SDR instead. This is an AMD platform, and it is the only one that I know of that can use either type of memory. This is a cheap motherboard and with an amd XP1600 it is great bang for the buck. newegg.com has a special with the K7S5A and the XP1600 is free shipping. Message: 2 From: Dennis To: madlug at madisonlinux.org Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 10:38:16 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] Types of memory Can I use PC133 memory for a mother board that uses DDR 2100 memory, unti= l I=20 get the newer memory type? -Dennis From sephtin at techgodz.com Sun Oct 13 03:20:35 2002 From: sephtin at techgodz.com (John) Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 03:20:35 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] memory References: <000001c2723a$a0482ef0$e65ebc42@mdsn1.wi.home.com> Message-ID: <000801c27291$67994ec0$6401a8c0@john> To answer the orig. question. Most likely no. If the board has slots for DDR, you need DDR. Pricewatch.com has best prices (usually) for DDR memory. Normally I don't plug businesses unless they really deserve it... But I just bought one of the K7S5A's from CPUSolutions.com (here in Madison area). Got an Enlight case w/ 300w PS, ECS K7S5A board, HS/Fan, and Athlon XP 1800 for something like 230$ Best part... is I called them around 10, and picked it up in Middleton at around 11. ;) By 1 or 2, I had RedHat 8 running. Makes a great NeverWinter Nights server! If you are into RPG, and haven't played.. check it out! (www.neverwinternights.com) As a heads up, this board got great reviews from a Tomshardware.com article. Don't expect to get much in the way of overclocking however. :( John ----- Original Message ----- From: "pali" To: Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2002 4:59 PM Subject: [Madlug] memory > this kind of depends on the motherboard. > The ECS K7S5A has slots for SDR and DDR memory, but you can't have both at the > same time. > > Last night at the Lan Party I had this motherboard running redhat 8.0 > and with Tom's and Vince's help we got it running UT2003 on board sound and > lan. > I use (2) sticks of DDR memory. but I could use SDR instead. > This is an AMD platform, and it is the only one that I know of that can > use either type of memory. > This is a cheap motherboard and with an amd XP1600 it is great bang for the > buck. > newegg.com has a special with the K7S5A and the XP1600 is free shipping. > > > > > Message: 2 > From: Dennis > To: madlug at madisonlinux.org > Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 10:38:16 -0500 > Subject: [Madlug] Types of memory > > Can I use PC133 memory for a mother board that uses DDR 2100 memory, unti= > l I=20 > get the newer memory type? > > -Dennis > > > _______________________________________________ > Madlug mailing list - Madlug at madisonlinux.org > http://www.madisonlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/madlug > From will at upl.cs.wisc.edu Mon Oct 14 09:22:20 2002 From: will at upl.cs.wisc.edu (Will McDonald) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 09:22:20 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] memory In-Reply-To: <000801c27291$67994ec0$6401a8c0@john> References: <000001c2723a$a0482ef0$e65ebc42@mdsn1.wi.home.com> <000801c27291$67994ec0$6401a8c0@john> Message-ID: <20021014142220.GA12878@cs.wisc.edu> On Sun, Oct 13, 2002 at 03:20:35AM -0500, John wrote: > But I just bought one of the K7S5A's from CPUSolutions.com (here in Madison > As a heads up, this board got great reviews from a Tomshardware.com article. > Don't expect to get much in the way of overclocking however. :( I also just got a K7S5A (seems amazingly popular now) and a 1600+, and they both seem to be a fantastic value -- both ~$50 from newegg.com (FANTASTIC company!). From what I've read the 1600+ is the best overclocker since the Celeron 300a (which I'm also running :) -- people have been known to easily get it from 1.4GHz to 1.7 (~1900+) or 1.9GHz (2100+). Not bad for $50. Unfortunately the motherboard is not (by default) very OC-friendly. The BIOS only lets you change the memory speed (100/133) and bus speed (100/133). *Fortunately*, you can flash to a BIOS that does let you OC in small steps, if you're willing to flash your MB with a modified BIOS. See http://www.lejabeach.com/ECS/ez.html. For all you K7S5A people: I was going to ask about which sound driver you used, but after a slighly better google search than before I just discovered that it's either i810_audio (AC'97) or compiled ALSA drivers (snd-card-intel8x0). -w -- ---------Will McDonald-----------------will at upl.cs.wisc.edu---------- GPG encrypted mail preferred. Join the web-o-trust! Key ID: F4332B28 From spiritlover666 at yahoo.com Mon Oct 14 14:10:43 2002 From: spiritlover666 at yahoo.com (Staci) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 12:10:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Madlug] memory In-Reply-To: <000801c27291$67994ec0$6401a8c0@john> Message-ID: <20021014191043.9556.qmail@web12802.mail.yahoo.com> Actually, CPUSolutions is where I got my PC too. Quick, cheap, quality, and nice guys. I'd actually picked them out on the web as having the best price and ordered my computer, before realizing they were local. Heehee. ;) And not the kinda support people who say "oh, you use linux, sorry, not allowed to help you!" like some other places who shall remain nameless (*coughChartercough*). NWN is really great. Wish i didn't have to boot into windoze to run it tho. :/ Has anyone tried NWN or UT2003Demo thru Wine(x)? I haven't yet, hope to in the future. :) staci --- John wrote: > To answer the orig. question. Most likely no. If the board has slots for > DDR, you need DDR. > Pricewatch.com has best prices (usually) for DDR memory. > > > Normally I don't plug businesses unless they really deserve it... > But I just bought one of the K7S5A's from CPUSolutions.com (here in Madison > area). > Got an Enlight case w/ 300w PS, ECS K7S5A board, HS/Fan, and Athlon XP 1800 > for something like 230$ > Best part... is I called them around 10, and picked it up in Middleton at > around 11. ;) > > By 1 or 2, I had RedHat 8 running. Makes a great NeverWinter Nights server! > If you are into RPG, and haven't played.. check it out! > (www.neverwinternights.com) > > As a heads up, this board got great reviews from a Tomshardware.com article. > Don't expect to get much in the way of overclocking however. :( > > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "pali" > To: > Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2002 4:59 PM > Subject: [Madlug] memory > > > > this kind of depends on the motherboard. > > The ECS K7S5A has slots for SDR and DDR memory, but you can't have both at > the > > same time. > > > > Last night at the Lan Party I had this motherboard running redhat 8.0 > > and with Tom's and Vince's help we got it running UT2003 on board sound > and > > lan. > > I use (2) sticks of DDR memory. but I could use SDR instead. > > This is an AMD platform, and it is the only one that I know of that can > > use either type of memory. > > This is a cheap motherboard and with an amd XP1600 it is great bang for > the > > buck. > > newegg.com has a special with the K7S5A and the XP1600 is free shipping. > > > > > > > > > > Message: 2 > > From: Dennis > > To: madlug at madisonlinux.org > > Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 10:38:16 -0500 > > Subject: [Madlug] Types of memory > > > > Can I use PC133 memory for a mother board that uses DDR 2100 memory, unti= > > l I=20 > > get the newer memory type? > > > > -Dennis > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Madlug mailing list - Madlug at madisonlinux.org > > http://www.madisonlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/madlug > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Madlug mailing list - Madlug at madisonlinux.org > http://www.madisonlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/madlug ===== ***************************************** In cyberspace nobody can hear you scream. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH! __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From mtinberg at securepipe.com Mon Oct 14 14:49:07 2002 From: mtinberg at securepipe.com (Mark Tinberg) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 14:49:07 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Madlug] memory In-Reply-To: <20021014191043.9556.qmail@web12802.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 14 Oct 2002, Staci wrote: > NWN is really great. Wish i didn't have to boot into windoze to run it tho. :/ > Has anyone tried NWN or UT2003Demo thru Wine(x)? I haven't yet, hope to in the > future. :) Just FYI, UT2003 is a native Linux game, no WINE required. It works great but be advised that only the nVidia drivers support enough OpenGL+extensions to actually run the game. -- Mark Tinberg Network Security Engineer, SecurePipe Inc. Remember: Wherever you go, there you are! Key fingerprint = AF6B 0294 EE33 D802 F7A1 38A4 CF52 5FE0 7470 E5F7 Your daily fortune . . . The only thing we learn from history is that we do not learn. -- Earl Warren That men do not learn very much from history is the most important of all the lessons that history has to teach. -- Aldous Huxley We learn from history that we do not learn from history. -- Georg Hegel HISTORY: Papa Hegel he say that all we learn from history is that we learn nothing from history. I know people who can't even learn from what happened this morning. Hegel must have been taking the long view. -- Chad C. Mulligan, "The Hipcrime Vocab" From zoltan47 at yahoo.com Mon Oct 14 14:51:31 2002 From: zoltan47 at yahoo.com (Steve Krause) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 12:51:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Madlug] **Meeting Reminder** Message-ID: <20021014195131.12276.qmail@web11106.mail.yahoo.com> Hello all, Just a reminder that we have a coffee/technochat meeting at Steep & Brew on State Street (7pm) this coming Friday (the 18th). Last time I brought a few copies of RedHat 8.0 for whomever wanted them -- if there is interest, I can burn and bring some more. --Steve Krause __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From scayford at tds.net Mon Oct 14 15:12:14 2002 From: scayford at tds.net (scayford at tds.net) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 15:12:14 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] **Meeting Reminder** In-Reply-To: <20021014195131.12276.qmail@web11106.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3AFCFB4F-DFB1-11D6-B785-003065ECC2BC@tds.net> I'd go for a set if you're offering. -SteveC On Monday, October 14, 2002, at 02:51 PM, Steve Krause wrote: > Last time I brought a few copies of RedHat 8.0 for > whomever wanted them -- if there is interest, I can > burn and bring some more. From wmstyles at charter.net Mon Oct 14 21:21:13 2002 From: wmstyles at charter.net (Bill Styles) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 21:21:13 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] help Message-ID: <001c01c273f1$88cbded0$b547a842@server> I am at the Login screen of Console Mode how do I get to the Login screen of Graphical Mode? My green thumbs did it. 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Brown --- Wonderfrog Enterprises --- martin at wonderfrog.net From wmstyles at charter.net Mon Oct 14 22:24:10 2002 From: wmstyles at charter.net (Bill Styles) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 22:24:10 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] help Message-ID: <000e01c273fa$53bfeb60$b547a842@server> Thanks Staci and Martin you got me out my delima, Bill -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.madisonlinux.org/pipermail/madlug/attachments/20021014/d40ab890/attachment.htm From mrrehbein at myrealbox.com Tue Oct 15 10:45:18 2002 From: mrrehbein at myrealbox.com (Michael Rehbein) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 10:45:18 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] ssh publickey authentication Message-ID: i have a few linux machines, and i was trying to setup my laptop to connect to the desktops and use the laptop as a x-terminal via ssh. anyways, it all works fine as it is, but i'm using password auth on the ssh, and was looking to go to using publickey auth so i can use ssh-agent to cut down the number of times i need to type in a password it is working fine with ssh kids at thedeskmachine, but not michael at thedeskmachine. michael is the account i use on the desk machine and kids is just an account setup for the little ones to play games on. i setp michael at thedeskmachine and mike at thelaptop to beable to ssh into the kids account, and the both can just fine. i cant get mike at thelaptop to login to michael at thedeskmachine with publickey auth, but password auth still works it shouldn't be a setting for sshd, otherwise both kids & michael would not work. it shouldn't be anything in mike at thelaptop/.ssh since it is working on kids & 2 other machines (a couple of servers at work) just not michael i've copied the files in ~/.ssh from kids to michael and chown & chmod to make sure those are setup identicly nothing in 'ssh -vvv michael at thedeskmachine' output jumps out at me and its not notably different then 'ssh -vvv kids at thedeskmachine' up to the point about the publickey working **note the names have been changed to protect the easily hackable From will at upl.cs.wisc.edu Tue Oct 15 10:53:03 2002 From: will at upl.cs.wisc.edu (Will McDonald) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 10:53:03 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] ssh publickey authentication In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20021015155303.GB1266@cs.wisc.edu> On Tue, Oct 15, 2002 at 10:45:18AM -0500, Michael Rehbein wrote: > i've copied the files in ~/.ssh from kids to michael and chown & chmod to > make sure those are setup identicly Did you append michael at laptop:.ssh/identity.pub to michael at desktop:.ssh/authorized_keys? (or id_dsa.pub to authorized_keys2, respectively). Your desktop need to know that michael at laptop is authorized to login to michael at desktop. -- ---------Will McDonald-----------------will at upl.cs.wisc.edu---------- GPG encrypted mail preferred. Join the web-o-trust! Key ID: F4332B28 From mrrehbein at myrealbox.com Tue Oct 15 11:46:53 2002 From: mrrehbein at myrealbox.com (Michael Rehbein) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 11:46:53 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] Re: ssh publickey authentication Message-ID: > i've copied the files in ~/.ssh from kids to michael and chown & chmod to > make sure those are setup identicly i did copy mike at laptop:.ssh/identity.pub to kids at desk & michael at desk:.ssh/authorized_keys, which is why the laptop can get to the kids account, but it doesn't help much as far as getting to he michael at desk account. michael at desk:$ cat .ssh/authorized_keys shows 2 keys, one for the michael at desk and one for mike at laptop just to make sure, i did copy id.pub from the laptop and replaced authorized_keys with id.pub, so only mike at laptop was in there as you suggested i had originally made an auth_key file that i had both mike at desk & mike at laptop so i could easly copy it to all 4 machines i wanted it on, 2 servers at work, the desk and the laptop it is working in the different combos mike at desk -> root at server1&2 mike at lap -> root at server1&2 mike at lap -> kids at desk mike at desk -> kids at desk but not mike at desk -> mike at lap mike at lap -> mike at desk using the same authorized_keys file on the different accounts and kids at desk has no .ssh/identity so it can't ssh into the different machies, but this is how it should be. mike at desk & mike at laptop do still have their .ssh/identity files (just double checked now) **sorry, i had the list subscription in digest mode so i'm replying based on what i saw in the archives From wa4chq at qsl.net Tue Oct 15 13:13:31 2002 From: wa4chq at qsl.net (wa4chq at qsl.net) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 14:13:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Madlug] mandrake 9.0 questions (fwd) Message-ID: Greetings- I received a copy of Mandrake 9.0 from one of the fellows in the group. I have been having fun with it and there is a lot to be said about how easy it is to get going. However I do have a few problems that I can't resolve and wondered if someone on the list could help. The problems are with 'lilo', the GUI login, Pine and finally, window size. I will try to explain it as best I can. First off let me say that I originally had RH 7.2 as default on /hda3; Dos on /hda1 and Debian on /hdd1. --lilo--when I installed Mandrake the plan was to boot it from a floppy instead messing with lilo. During the installation, I missed the part about making a boot floppy, so now I can't boot RH. I tried editing /etc/lilo.conf but after saving, forgot to issue the ./lilo command. I don't know if this messed things up worse, because now if I try to boot rh, all goes fine until it looks for the keyboard, mouse etc, etc...I get the Kudzo screen and am not sure what to do. As it is, I can still mount /hda3 and access my Redhat stuff. I would like to be able to have Redhat as the default and not Mandrake. Also, when Mandrake boots up, instead of coming to the GUI login, it just starts right in to Icewm. I don't like this as it is not very secure. How can I change this? ---Pine---I had pine working fine with Redhat, but with Mandrake, I can't send attachments, when I try, I get an error message: : relocation error:
: undefined symbol: statp and I lose control of the command propt. This also happens with spell check. I can't find anything about it in Pine Help. ---window size--- With Redhat, I had the settings for Galeon and the other graphix browsers perfect, but with Mandrake, I don't see where I need to make changes to screen size. I am sure it may be the size of the fonts, but not sure. What happens is when using galeon much of the screen gets lost on the bottom and on one of the sides. Pressing shift/- only works with xterm. any help would be appriciated. not going to check spelling because I will lose this ....again!...tnx Neil T. -- Linux Rules the roost. Ham Radio Rules the waves...http://www.qsl.net/wa4chq From will at upl.cs.wisc.edu Tue Oct 15 13:21:58 2002 From: will at upl.cs.wisc.edu (Will McDonald) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 13:21:58 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] mandrake 9.0 questions (fwd) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20021015182157.GB2101@cs.wisc.edu> On Tue, Oct 15, 2002 at 02:13:31PM -0400, wa4chq at qsl.net wrote: > ---Pine---I had pine working fine with Redhat, but with Mandrake, I can't > send attachments, when I try, I get an error message: > : relocation error:
: undefined > symbol: statp > and I lose control of the command propt. This also happens with spell > check. I can't find anything about it in Pine Help. Use mutt. If you are used to Pine, use mutt. If you think "No, I have a compelling reason, and I definitely want to use Pine," use mutt. Mutt is the goodness and light of text MUAs. There are lots of sites out there to help you get started, and I'm sure a lot of madlug'ers could help, as could I. -- ---------Will McDonald-----------------will at upl.cs.wisc.edu---------- GPG encrypted mail preferred. Join the web-o-trust! Key ID: F4332B28 From rhayden at geek.net Tue Oct 15 13:24:33 2002 From: rhayden at geek.net (Robert A. Hayden) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 13:24:33 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Madlug] Free Junk (just pick it up) Message-ID: I'm cleaning my junkpiles and I have some old hardware that some of you might be able to use. All you have to do is pick it up. Most of this is too old to be of even Ebay value, but a local pickup might be warranted. I have: 1) PC - Dual Pentium I Motherboard with 1x P200mmx CPU and 112mb RAM (no CD, No hard drive, no floppy, AT mini-tower case). Good as a Linux router 2) SCSI2 50-pin Internal CDRom - I think it's 4x - caddyless 3) IDE CD-R - I believe it's 12x4 - caddyless. NOTE- Cannot read/write 700mb discs (I have two of these). It might also work with rewritables. 4) Rackmount 12 (it might be 16) port 10mb hub - 1U size. Equipment is first come first served, no guarantees of anything. You just have to pick it up at my house (in the area of fish hatchery and the beltway) From rhayden at geek.net Tue Oct 15 13:26:30 2002 From: rhayden at geek.net (Robert A. Hayden) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 13:26:30 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Madlug] mandrake 9.0 questions (fwd) In-Reply-To: <20021015182157.GB2101@cs.wisc.edu> Message-ID: is Pine v Mutt the new religious war, replacing vi v emacs? :-) On Tue, 15 Oct 2002, Will McDonald wrote: > On Tue, Oct 15, 2002 at 02:13:31PM -0400, wa4chq at qsl.net wrote: > > ---Pine---I had pine working fine with Redhat, but with Mandrake, I can't > > send attachments, when I try, I get an error message: > > : relocation error:
: undefined > > symbol: statp > > and I lose control of the command propt. This also happens with spell > > check. I can't find anything about it in Pine Help. > > Use mutt. If you are used to Pine, use mutt. If you think "No, I have a > compelling reason, and I definitely want to use Pine," use mutt. Mutt is > the goodness and light of text MUAs. There are lots of sites out there > to help you get started, and I'm sure a lot of madlug'ers could help, as > could I. > > From will at upl.cs.wisc.edu Tue Oct 15 13:28:31 2002 From: will at upl.cs.wisc.edu (Will McDonald) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 13:28:31 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] mandrake 9.0 questions (fwd) In-Reply-To: References: <20021015182157.GB2101@cs.wisc.edu> Message-ID: <20021015182831.GC2101@cs.wisc.edu> Maybe, but hopefully not. vi vs. emacs is still a great war. I just like mutt so much that I feel compelled to evalgelize a little. -w On Tue, Oct 15, 2002 at 01:26:30PM -0500, Robert A. Hayden wrote: > is Pine v Mutt the new religious war, replacing vi v emacs? :-) > On Tue, 15 Oct 2002, Will McDonald wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 15, 2002 at 02:13:31PM -0400, wa4chq at qsl.net wrote: > > > ---Pine---I had pine working fine with Redhat, but with Mandrake, I can't > > > send attachments, when I try, I get an error message: > > > : relocation error:
: undefined > > > symbol: statp > > > and I lose control of the command propt. This also happens with spell > > > check. I can't find anything about it in Pine Help. > > > > Use mutt. If you are used to Pine, use mutt. If you think "No, I have a > > compelling reason, and I definitely want to use Pine," use mutt. Mutt is > > the goodness and light of text MUAs. There are lots of sites out there > > to help you get started, and I'm sure a lot of madlug'ers could help, as > > could I. -- ---------Will McDonald-----------------will at upl.cs.wisc.edu---------- GPG encrypted mail preferred. Join the web-o-trust! Key ID: F4332B28 From spiritlover666 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 15 14:51:42 2002 From: spiritlover666 at yahoo.com (Staci) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 12:51:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Madlug] mandrake 9.0 questions (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20021015195142.69125.qmail@web12806.mail.yahoo.com> Yeah...I've heard tons about people converting to mutt. But nobody seems to care for Pine anymore. All the die-hard alt.os.linux.slackware-folk use mutt for popmail, slrn for news, and I think most use vi or pico for editing...I personally use nano, a free "pico clone" that does more and better stuff than pico ever did. :P It's crazy the way stuff gets BETTER when it's free rather than being something someone threw together in their spare time. like aterm for example. "eterm clone" but better, works better in bb, etc. That sorta proves the open-source concept is working, I guess. :) Any other MP3-collectors who read this might want to check out Cantus, a new gui filename editor that is really slick (I tried it last night). Beats my old CLI "rename" any day. :) And as long as I'm sending off an email, I might as well ask you guys the thing I've been checking on. Do any of the super-cheap domain-registry services include DNS? I can't afford much, I thought I could get the domain for like $10 and host my own, but if I have to pay another $30 for DNS then I can't do it. Any suggested services...? Thanks, staci --- "Robert A. Hayden" wrote: > is Pine v Mutt the new religious war, replacing vi v emacs? :-) > ===== ***************************************** In cyberspace nobody can hear you scream. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH! __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From will at upl.cs.wisc.edu Tue Oct 15 14:56:40 2002 From: will at upl.cs.wisc.edu (Will McDonald) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 14:56:40 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] mandrake 9.0 questions (fwd) In-Reply-To: <20021015195142.69125.qmail@web12806.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20021015195142.69125.qmail@web12806.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20021015195640.GE2101@cs.wisc.edu> On Tue, Oct 15, 2002 at 12:51:42PM -0700, Staci wrote: > I've been checking on. Do any of the super-cheap domain-registry services > include DNS? I can't afford much, I thought I could get the domain for like > $10 and host my own, but if I have to pay another $30 for DNS then I can't do > it. http://www.wiredhub.net. $3-$10/mo for very reasonble limits (50MB disk/1GB transfer - 1GB disk/10GB transfer). (Bonus: I believe they're local). -- ---------Will McDonald-----------------will at upl.cs.wisc.edu---------- GPG encrypted mail preferred. Join the web-o-trust! Key ID: F4332B28 From herzog at uhhh.org Tue Oct 15 14:53:26 2002 From: herzog at uhhh.org (herzog at uhhh.org) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 14:53:26 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Madlug] mandrake 9.0 questions (fwd) In-Reply-To: <20021015195142.69125.qmail@web12806.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: >>On Tue, 15 Oct 2002, Staci wrote: > And as long as I'm sending off an email, I might as well ask you guys the thing > I've been checking on. Do any of the super-cheap domain-registry services > include DNS? I can't afford much, I thought I could get the domain for like > $10 and host my own, but if I have to pay another $30 for DNS then I can't do > it. http://www.zoneedit.com Up to 5 domains free of charge (DNS services). -- Larry Herzog Jr. "Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain ZRXOA #1029 conceit, but in humility consider others herzog at uhhh.org better than yourselves." - Philippians 2:3 From sephtin at techgodz.com Tue Oct 15 15:16:30 2002 From: sephtin at techgodz.com (John) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 15:16:30 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] mandrake 9.0 questions (fwd) References: <20021015195142.69125.qmail@web12806.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004101c27487$bfc12b70$468afea9@corporate.amfam.com> I've heard good things and bad things about registrar's. I won't comment, as I only have experience with netsol, and bulk.com.. which I wouldn't recommend. For DNS, ODS.org rocks. Check it out. They provide free dns for certain domain names ..com domain names. For 20$/year (I'm very dissappointed, it used to be 5...), they will host DNS for your private domain name. Extra bonus.. if you're on a dynamic IP addy, run their DNS client, and it updates ODS.org DNS servers with your new IP when it changes. :) Another option... if you know the right people... ;) you might be able to have them host your DNS for you. (Keep in mind that if you're dynamic, every time your IP changes.. you'll have to bother them to change it...) I'm fairly certian that there are a few (...uhm, hundred) geeks on this list that have DNS running on their machines! John Sidenote: On BSD, I'm a pretty hard-core pico fan.. as that vers. of VI is very antiquated... however the version of VIM that runs on linux (example RH 8.0) has been very friendly to me. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Staci" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [Madlug] mandrake 9.0 questions (fwd) > Yeah...I've heard tons about people converting to mutt. But nobody seems to > care for Pine anymore. All the die-hard alt.os.linux.slackware-folk use mutt > for popmail, slrn for news, and I think most use vi or pico for editing...I > personally use nano, a free "pico clone" that does more and better stuff than > pico ever did. :P It's crazy the way stuff gets BETTER when it's free rather > than being something someone threw together in their spare time. like aterm > for example. "eterm clone" but better, works better in bb, etc. That sorta > proves the open-source concept is working, I guess. :) > > Any other MP3-collectors who read this might want to check out Cantus, a new > gui filename editor that is really slick (I tried it last night). Beats my old > CLI "rename" any day. :) > > And as long as I'm sending off an email, I might as well ask you guys the thing > I've been checking on. Do any of the super-cheap domain-registry services > include DNS? I can't afford much, I thought I could get the domain for like > $10 and host my own, but if I have to pay another $30 for DNS then I can't do > it. > > Any suggested services...? > > Thanks, > staci > > --- "Robert A. Hayden" wrote: > > is Pine v Mutt the new religious war, replacing vi v emacs? :-) > > > > > ===== > ***************************************** > In cyberspace nobody can hear you scream. > AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH! > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More > http://faith.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > Madlug mailing list - Madlug at madisonlinux.org > http://www.madisonlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/madlug > From rhayden at geek.net Tue Oct 15 15:25:07 2002 From: rhayden at geek.net (Robert A. Hayden) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 15:25:07 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Madlug] Free junk Gone Message-ID: I got enough responses to claim all of the free junk and I'll contact the winners shortly. Thanks for the responses. From spiritlover666 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 15 20:33:26 2002 From: spiritlover666 at yahoo.com (Staci) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 18:33:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Madlug] mandrake 9.0 questions (fwd) In-Reply-To: <004101c27487$bfc12b70$468afea9@corporate.amfam.com> Message-ID: <20021016013326.48925.qmail@web12804.mail.yahoo.com> --- John wrote: > Another option... if you know the right people... ;) you might be able to > have them host your DNS for you. (Keep in mind that if you're dynamic, > every time your IP changes.. you'll have to bother them to change it...) > I'm fairly certian that there are a few (...uhm, hundred) geeks on this list > that have DNS running on their machines! Hmmm...anyone wanna speak up? And/or, how hard is it to set up? Is it particularly resource-intensive or anything? > John > Sidenote: On BSD, I'm a pretty hard-core pico fan.. as that vers. of VI is > very antiquated... however the version of VIM that runs on linux (example RH > 8.0) has been very friendly to me. If you decide you don't like the fact that to have Pico it is REQUIRED to have Pine, you should check out Nano, it's got a pico-emulation mode, 3/4 of the time I forget I'm not on Pico. :) staci ===== ***************************************** In cyberspace nobody can hear you scream. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH! __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From sephtin at techgodz.com Wed Oct 16 00:09:21 2002 From: sephtin at techgodz.com (John) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 00:09:21 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] memory References: <000001c2723a$a0482ef0$e65ebc42@mdsn1.wi.home.com> <000801c27291$67994ec0$6401a8c0@john> <20021014142220.GA12878@cs.wisc.edu> <002701c2747f$3e05eec0$468afea9@corporate.amfam.com> <20021015191800.GD2101@cs.wisc.edu> Message-ID: <000e01c274d2$302ee8d0$6401a8c0@john> Ok. I flashed my K7S5A to the Chb0809.rom Downloaded it from here: http://forum.ocworkbench.com/ocwbcgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=27&t=003 724 (way down at the bottom...) Used the aminf335.exe flash utility (very top right option on the page you posted): http://www.lejabeach.com/ECS/ez.html I tried the honeyx ECSoc0626 from the page you posted first.. however it only gave me limited options... (Highest I could go was 137/137... Now that my AthlonXP 1800 is flashed to chb0809 version... I tried oc'ing to 150/150, (bios says it's an XP 2100), but it locked up during boot. I'm currently running at 143/143 (bios says it's an XP 2000), and so far it's been extremely stable. I may even give the 147/147 a shot at some point.. ? Thanks for letting me know it's even possible to oc with this board!!! Very handy to know! :) John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Will McDonald" To: "John" Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 2:18 PM Subject: Re: [Madlug] memory > No, I haven't had a chance yet. If I do, I'll definitely let you know > (and vice-versa would be appreciated). It's good to know that if I hose > my chip there are other people in town with the same board so I could > (hopefully) re-flash. :) > > -will > > On Tue, Oct 15, 2002 at 02:15:36PM -0500, John wrote: > > Have you tried any of them? Which versions? > > Recommendations? > > > > Thanks for the link! I definitely want to give one of these a try!! > > John > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Will McDonald" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 9:22 AM > > Subject: Re: [Madlug] memory > > > > > > > On Sun, Oct 13, 2002 at 03:20:35AM -0500, John wrote: > > > > But I just bought one of the K7S5A's from CPUSolutions.com (here in > > Madison > > > > As a heads up, this board got great reviews from a Tomshardware.com > > article. > > > > Don't expect to get much in the way of overclocking however. :( > > > > > > I also just got a K7S5A (seems amazingly popular now) and a 1600+, and > > > they both seem to be a fantastic value -- both ~$50 from newegg.com > > > (FANTASTIC company!). From what I've read the 1600+ is the best > > > overclocker since the Celeron 300a (which I'm also running :) -- people > > > have been known to easily get it from 1.4GHz to 1.7 (~1900+) or 1.9GHz > > > (2100+). Not bad for $50. > > > > > > Unfortunately the motherboard is not (by default) very OC-friendly. The > > > BIOS only lets you change the memory speed (100/133) and bus speed > > > (100/133). *Fortunately*, you can flash to a BIOS that does let you OC > > > in small steps, if you're willing to flash your MB with a modified BIOS. > > > See http://www.lejabeach.com/ECS/ez.html. > > > > > > For all you K7S5A people: I was going to ask about which sound driver > > > you used, but after a slighly better google search than before I just > > > discovered that it's either i810_audio (AC'97) or compiled ALSA drivers > > > (snd-card-intel8x0). > > > > > > -w > > > > > > -- > > > ---------Will McDonald-----------------will at upl.cs.wisc.edu---------- > > > GPG encrypted mail preferred. Join the web-o-trust! Key ID: F4332B28 > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Madlug mailing list - Madlug at madisonlinux.org > > > http://www.madisonlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/madlug > > > > > -- > ---------Will McDonald-----------------will at upl.cs.wisc.edu---------- > GPG encrypted mail preferred. Join the web-o-trust! Key ID: F4332B28 > > From pali at charter.net Wed Oct 16 07:57:48 2002 From: pali at charter.net (pali) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 07:57:48 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] OC K7S5A In-Reply-To: <20021016112942.4821.23400.Mailman@franz.stat.wisc.edu> Message-ID: <000001c27513$a0e89260$6400a8c0@mdsn1.wi.home.com> you can use a boot disk(dos) and a program called CHFSB to OC the K7S5A this way you can use the standard bios files from ECS and still set the FSB. When you tried 150FSB what kind of memory were you using. I have corsair PC3200 cas 2 and it can do 150 stable. With a stick of OCZ PC2400 it can't do 150 stable. You can also slow down the memory timings in the bios when going for higher FSB speeds. I see better performance with a higher FSB and slow memory timings, rather then Low FSB and fast memory timings. at 150 your PCI and AGP buses will be running over standard speeds. This will improve the burst transfer rate across the PCI bus and video performance. But you do risk data corruption, if something can't take the higher speed. Good luck, you can paint the bridges on the chip to get a higher default voltage, I run XP chips at 1.85 volts all the time. You can also modify the multiplier. good luck Message: 1 From: "John" To: "Will McDonald" Cc: Subject: Re: [Madlug] memory Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 00:09:21 -0500 Ok. I flashed my K7S5A to the Chb0809.rom Downloaded it from here: http://forum.ocworkbench.com/ocwbcgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=27&t=003 724 (way down at the bottom...) Used the aminf335.exe flash utility (very top right option on the page you posted): http://www.lejabeach.com/ECS/ez.html I tried the honeyx ECSoc0626 from the page you posted first.. however it only gave me limited options... (Highest I could go was 137/137... Now that my AthlonXP 1800 is flashed to chb0809 version... I tried oc'ing to 150/150, (bios says it's an XP 2100), but it locked up during boot. I'm currently running at 143/143 (bios says it's an XP 2000), and so far it's been extremely stable. I may even give the 147/147 a shot at some point.. ? Thanks for letting me know it's even possible to oc with this board!!! Very handy to know! :) John From ntan at crosslink.net Tue Oct 15 11:59:46 2002 From: ntan at crosslink.net (ntan at crosslink.net) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 12:59:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Madlug] mandrake 9.0 questions Message-ID: Greetings- I received a copy of Mandrake 9.0 from one of the fellows in the group. I have been having fun with it and there is a lot to be said about how easy it is to get going. However I do have a few problems that I can't resolve and wondered if someone on the list could help. The problems are with 'lilo', the GUI login, Pine and finally, window size. I will try to explain it as best I can. First off let me say that I originally had RH 7.2 as default on /hda3; Dos on /hda1 and Debian on /hdd1. --lilo--when I installed Mandrake the plan was to boot it from a floppy instead messing with lilo. During the installation, I missed the part about making a boot floppy, so now I can't boot RH. I tried editing /etc/lilo.conf but after saving, forgot to issue the ./lilo command. I don't know if this messed things up worse, because now if I try to boot rh, all goes fine until it looks for the keyboard, mouse etc, etc...I get the Kudzo screen and am not sure what to do. As it is, I can still mount /hda3 and access my Redhat stuff. I would like to be able to have Redhat as the default and not Mandrake. Also, when Mandrake boots up, instead of coming to the GUI login, it just starts right in to Icewm. I don't like this as it is not very secure. How can I change this? ---Pine---I had pine working fine with Redhat, but with Mandrake, I can't send attachments, when I try, I get an error message: : relocation error:
: undefined symbol: statp and I lose control of the command propt. This also happens with spell check. I can't find anything about it in Pine Help. ---window size--- With Redhat, I had the settings for Galeon and the other graphix browsers perfect, but with Mandrake, I don't see where I need to make changes to screen size. I am sure it may be the size of the fonts, but not sure. What happens is when using galeon much of the screen gets lost on the bottom and on one of the sides. Pressing shift/- only works with xterm. any help would be appriciated. not going to check spelling because I will lose this ....again!...tnx Neil T. -- Linux Rules the roost. Ham Radio Rules the waves...http://www.qsl.net/wa4chq From hardburn at runbox.com Wed Oct 16 08:37:28 2002 From: hardburn at runbox.com (Timm Murray) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 13:37:28 GMT Subject: [Madlug] mandrake 9.0 questions (fwd) Message-ID: > > --- John wrote: > > Another option... if you know the right people... ;) you might be able to > > have them host your DNS for you. (Keep in mind that if you're dynamic, > > every time your IP changes.. you'll have to bother them to change it...) > > I'm fairly certian that there are a few (...uhm, hundred) geeks on this list > > that have DNS running on their machines! > > Hmmm...anyone wanna speak up? > And/or, how hard is it to set up? > Is it particularly resource-intensive or anything? Not hard. I looked over the Domain HOWTO at linuxdoc.org (or whatever their new name is) and everything just worked. I'm just running a small, private domain behind a dial-up connection on a Pentium 75 (which is overkill for most DNS servers, unless you're running the A root server or something). <> From will at upl.cs.wisc.edu Wed Oct 16 09:07:56 2002 From: will at upl.cs.wisc.edu (Will McDonald) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 09:07:56 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] memory In-Reply-To: <000e01c274d2$302ee8d0$6401a8c0@john> References: <000001c2723a$a0482ef0$e65ebc42@mdsn1.wi.home.com> <000801c27291$67994ec0$6401a8c0@john> <20021014142220.GA12878@cs.wisc.edu> <002701c2747f$3e05eec0$468afea9@corporate.amfam.com> <20021015191800.GD2101@cs.wisc.edu> <000e01c274d2$302ee8d0$6401a8c0@john> Message-ID: <20021016140756.GA6035@cs.wisc.edu> On Wed, Oct 16, 2002 at 12:09:21AM -0500, John wrote: > Now that my AthlonXP 1800 is flashed to chb0809 version... I tried oc'ing > to 150/150, (bios says it's an XP 2100), but it locked up during boot. > I'm currently running at 143/143 (bios says it's an XP 2000), and so far > it's been extremely stable. I may even give the 147/147 a shot at some > point.. ? Did you raise the core voltage? How did your cpu temperature change, and what kind of CPU cooling do you have? I'll probably do this to my K7S5A/1600+ tonight. -- ---------Will McDonald-----------------will at upl.cs.wisc.edu---------- GPG encrypted mail preferred. Join the web-o-trust! Key ID: F4332B28 From sterling at sterlinganderson.net Wed Oct 16 10:22:34 2002 From: sterling at sterlinganderson.net (Sterling Anderson) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 10:22:34 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] Stupid term tricks? Message-ID: <20021016152234.GA1888@sterlinganderson.net> I was wondering if anyone knew how to use a transparent term as a background in a window manager. I've seen it done where you create a term that is the size of you desktop and somehow set it to the background. Anyone know how to do this? ^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^ Sterling Anderson -- sterling at sterlinganderson.net http://sterlinganderson.net Zapp: "Why'd you open your bong-hole, you smelly hippie? You'd sacrifice a beautiful woman to save a moderately attractive monkey? You must have smoked some bad granola." ^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^ From sogo at cs.wisc.edu Wed Oct 16 11:13:33 2002 From: sogo at cs.wisc.edu (Takashi Sogo) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 11:13:33 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Madlug] Stupid term tricks? In-Reply-To: <20021016152234.GA1888@sterlinganderson.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 16 Oct 2002, Sterling Anderson wrote: > I was wondering if anyone knew how to use a transparent term as a > background in a window manager. I use wterm on Linux and rxvt on Solaris to make the background transparent. I prefer wterm, but it didn't compile on Solaris. BTW, my window manager is WindowMaker. -- takashi sogo mailto:sogo at cs.wisc.edu From sephtin at techgodz.com Wed Oct 16 10:17:26 2002 From: sephtin at techgodz.com (John) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 10:17:26 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] memory References: <000001c2723a$a0482ef0$e65ebc42@mdsn1.wi.home.com> <000801c27291$67994ec0$6401a8c0@john> <20021014142220.GA12878@cs.wisc.edu> <002701c2747f$3e05eec0$468afea9@corporate.amfam.com> <20021015191800.GD2101@cs.wisc.edu> <000e01c274d2$302ee8d0$6401a8c0@john> <20021016140756.GA6035@cs.wisc.edu> Message-ID: <001401c27532$958cea50$468afea9@corporate.amfam.com> > Did you raise the core voltage? How did your cpu temperature change, > and what kind of CPU cooling do you have? I'll probably do this to my > K7S5A/1600+ tonight. Neither of the bios versions I tried allowed me to change the core voltage. I'm guessing you need to unlock the processor to do this..... Unlocking the AthlonXP CPU: http://www.overclockers.com/tips693/ This is a little more than I care to do at this point... but at some point, I'll probly give it a try. CPU Temp didn't go up much. (I was surprised). I don't remember the brand of fan. I'm pretty sure it's a cheap-o.. There are two case fans in the case, and it's an enlight case (one in front, one in back). Since I'm not the primary user of the system, I haven't loaded mbm on it to get exact readings. If I do, I'll pass on what I find. Please also let me know how it goes with your 1600! John From sephtin at techgodz.com Wed Oct 16 11:42:40 2002 From: sephtin at techgodz.com (John) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 11:42:40 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] OC K7S5A References: <000001c27513$a0e89260$6400a8c0@mdsn1.wi.home.com> Message-ID: <001b01c27533$0b2940b0$468afea9@corporate.amfam.com> > you can use a boot disk(dos) and a program called CHFSB to OC the K7S5A > this way you can use the standard bios files from ECS and still set the > FSB. Where can I get this?!?! > When you tried 150FSB what kind of memory were you using. One cheap 512mb high-density stick of SD-Ram. > I have corsair PC3200 cas 2 and it can do 150 stable. In my P4 1.6 (runs at 2.4) I have a corsair PC2700... running at 150. > Good luck, you can paint the bridges on the chip to get a higher default > voltage, I run XP chips at 1.85 volts all the time. > You can also modify the multiplier. > good luck The article read that people have been having problems with this. SuperGlue to the rescue. *pondering whether duct tape could be used... it fixes everything else* ;) Just posted the article in other email. It's here: http://www.overclockers.com/tips693/ John From ericansay at earthlink.net Wed Oct 16 13:30:43 2002 From: ericansay at earthlink.net (Eric M. Ansay) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 13:30:43 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] Asus motherboards - P3V4X References: <000001c27513$a0e89260$6400a8c0@mdsn1.wi.home.com> <001b01c27533$0b2940b0$468afea9@corporate.amfam.com> Message-ID: <002c01c27542$25edd4b0$9865fea9@eric> I was wondering if anyone has any experience overclocking this particular board. I'm gonna use this computer as my linux box and I currently have a 800mhz PIII chip in it, and I've been putting some thought into either overclocking it, or replacing the CPU with a faster one. I know I could probably get an AMD chip and motherboard for less or around the same as an Intel chip, but I have 2 gigs of RAM in this box, as well as a RAID 5 controller and I don't really feel like building another system at this moment (my main system is a dual Athlon MP 2200, with RAID 5 and 2 Gigs of RAM and I just built that about a month ago). I've read about the heat concerts with overclocking computers...but I have two case fans, th