From tmharks at facstaff.wisc.edu Tue Oct 1 11:54:44 2002 From: tmharks at facstaff.wisc.edu (T. Harks) Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 11:54:44 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] RedHat 8.0 - First impressions? Message-ID: Greetings- I realize that RH 8.0 was released only yesterday, but I was curious to hear if anyone has already installed/upgraded/tried the latest version. Where applicable, I'd love to hear pros/cons on the ugrade from a previous distro, the joys/kinks in a fresh install, your opinions on noticible improvements, etc. I'm currently dividing my personal Linux meddlings between RH 7.3 and Debian, so comparisons between RH 8.0 and Debian will also be appreciated. Thanks in advance for your comments. If/when I choose to upgrade, I'll be happy to add to the discussion. Sincerely, Ted Harks --- If you shoot at mimes, should you use a silencer? Steven Wright --- ted at wut.org - 262-9909 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.madisonlinux.org/pipermail/madlug/attachments/20021001/8025e581/attachment.htm From scayford at tds.net Tue Oct 1 13:44:34 2002 From: scayford at tds.net (scayford at tds.net) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 11:44:34 -0700 Subject: [Madlug] RedHat 8.0 - First impressions? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Haven't tried it yet, but there's quite a review on osnews: http://osnews.com/story.php?news_id=1842 I'm thinking I'll wait for 8.1. -SteveC On Tuesday, October 1, 2002, at 09:54 AM, T. Harks wrote: > Greetings- > ? > I realize that RH 8.0 was released only yesterday, but I was curious > to hear if anyone has already installed/upgraded/tried the latest > version.? Where applicable, I'd love to hear pros/cons on the ugrade > from a previous distro, the joys/kinks in a fresh install, your > opinions on noticible improvements, etc.? I'm currently dividing my > personal Linux meddlings between RH 7.3 and Debian, so comparisons > between RH 8.0 and Debian will also be appreciated.? Thanks in advance > for your comments.? If/when I choose to upgrade, I'll be happy to add > to the discussion. > ? > Sincerely, > ? > Ted Harks > --- > If you shoot at mimes, should you use a silencer? > Steven Wright > --- > ted at wut.org - 262-9909 > ? From kpatenaude at yahoo.com Tue Oct 1 15:01:23 2002 From: kpatenaude at yahoo.com (Kenny Patenaude) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 13:01:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Madlug] RedHat 8.0 - First impressions? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20021001200123.11264.qmail@web11507.mail.yahoo.com> Opinion-- In order for any Linux distro to make it to the Business desktop world 2 things need to happen. 1. Easier and standard printing interface among applications. 2. Text has to be more legable in applications. Local apps will be moved aside by web based apps running from any standard web browser. --- scayford at tds.net wrote: > Haven't tried it yet, but there's quite a review on > osnews: > > http://osnews.com/story.php?news_id=1842 > > I'm thinking I'll wait for 8.1. > > -SteveC > > On Tuesday, October 1, 2002, at 09:54 AM, T. Harks > wrote: > > > Greetings- > > ? > > I realize that RH 8.0 was released only yesterday, > but I was curious > > to hear if anyone has already > installed/upgraded/tried the latest > > version.? Where applicable, I'd love to hear > pros/cons on the ugrade > > from a previous distro, the joys/kinks in a fresh > install, your > > opinions on noticible improvements, etc.? I'm > currently dividing my > > personal Linux meddlings between RH 7.3 and > Debian, so comparisons > > between RH 8.0 and Debian will also be > appreciated.? Thanks in advance > > for your comments.? If/when I choose to upgrade, > I'll be happy to add > > to the discussion. > > ? > > Sincerely, > > ? > > Ted Harks > > --- > > If you shoot at mimes, should you use a silencer? > > Steven Wright > > --- > > ted at wut.org - 262-9909 > > ? > > > _______________________________________________ > Madlug mailing list - Madlug at madisonlinux.org > http://www.madisonlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/madlug ===== Kenny Patenaude kpatenaude at yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From zoltan47 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 1 16:53:47 2002 From: zoltan47 at yahoo.com (Steve Krause) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 14:53:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Madlug] **Meeting Reminder** Message-ID: <20021001215347.6007.qmail@web11101.mail.yahoo.com> Hello all, Just a reminder that we have a regular "coffee and technochat" meeting for this Friday (7pm) at Steep & Brew on State Street. Aside: I'll get the website "back to normal" ASAP. Yours, Steve Krause __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From director at chpi.org Tue Oct 1 17:17:45 2002 From: director at chpi.org (John J. Boyer) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 17:17:45 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Madlug] Changing Size of Swap Partition Message-ID: Hello, Redhat 8.0 really looks tempting. I'm also hoping to do some Gnome programming in the near future. According to what I have read on the Gnome website, Gnome 2 requires 128Mb of RAM. Currently, I have 64Mb. If I increase my RAM to 128Mb how do I increase the size of my swap partition and how large should it be? Thanks. John -- Computers to Help People, Inc. http://www.chpi.org 825 East Johnson; Madison, WI 53703 From hardburn at runbox.com Tue Oct 1 18:03:43 2002 From: hardburn at runbox.com (Timm Murray) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 18:03:43 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] Changing Size of Swap Partition In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200210011803.49358.hardburn@runbox.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 01 October 2002 17:17, John J. Boyer wrote: > Hello, > Redhat 8.0 really looks tempting. I'm also hoping to do some Gnome > programming in the near future. According to what I have read on the Gnome > website, Gnome 2 requires 128Mb of RAM. Currently, I have 64Mb. If I > increase my RAM to 128Mb how do I increase the size of my swap partition > and how large should it be? > Thanks. > John You wouldn't actually need to increase the size of your swap partition, but if you really want to . . . The nice and neat way of doing it would be to repartition your hard drive to create a bigger swap partition. Barring that, you can create a file that can be used as a new swap device: $ dd if=/dev/zero of=/path/to/file count=1 bs=128M Replacing "128M" with the size of your choice. (You should probably be doing all this as root, BTW). Next, create a loopback device for this file (be sure you have the loopback module in your kernel), and format it as a swap device: $ losetup /dev/lo0 /path/to/file $ mkswap /dev/lo0 You can then active the swap partition with: $ swapon /dev/lo0 This will append the new swap space to whatever swap device you already have running. To have the new swap device be activated at boot time, you need to make a bootscript that runs the "losetup" and "swapon" lines above. - -- He's like a function--he returns a value, in the form of his opinion. It's up to you to cast it into void or not. --Phil Lapsley -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAj2aKdMACgkQqpueKcacfLQcxgCfS4XzSDwB1XyYVMEeR2xObxXQ Tz4AoKySXsXzBSQv6AkdZqtV+19y5zkz =olUC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mtinberg at securepipe.com Tue Oct 1 19:49:54 2002 From: mtinberg at securepipe.com (Mark Tinberg) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 19:49:54 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Madlug] Changing Size of Swap Partition In-Reply-To: <200210011803.49358.hardburn@runbox.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 1 Oct 2002, Timm Murray wrote: > The nice and neat way of doing it would be to repartition your hard drive to > create a bigger swap partition. Barring that, you can create a file that can > be used as a new swap device: One could also create a new partition out of any previously unallocated space, if such a beast existed 8^). The performance of a swap file in the filesystem should always be less than the performance of a dedicated swap partition just for the fact that you have to go through the filesystem layer, which is more work than not. New swap spaces should automatically have less priority than existing ones, in my experience, but you may want to explicitly check that your dedicated swap space is used first. > Next, create a loopback device for this file (be sure you have the loopback > module in your kernel), and format it as a swap device: I've done this a few times when I've been running memory intensive jobs and needed more memory _NOW_ and have found these steps unnecessary. Just for clarification you should be able to: mkswap /path/to/file swapon /path/to/file without explicitly defining a loopback block device. You can also set this in /etc/fstab to mount on boot, which is handy if you make this permanent. Note that I'm not entirely sure that you will gain significant benefit from more swap, unless you are pressed for memory. Excpet for kernels between 2.4.0 and 2.4.9 that use the Rik van Riel VM subsystem, total swap space is just added linearily to system memory and there is no magic "right" amount of swap wrt real memory. In any case real memory is still reletively cheap, so popping in 128M is probably a good thing. -- Mark Tinberg Network Security Engineer, SecurePipe Inc. Remember: Wherever you go, there you are! Key fingerprint = AF6B 0294 EE33 D802 F7A1 38A4 CF52 5FE0 7470 E5F7 Your daily fortune . . . It is the nature of extreme self-lovers, as they will set an house on fire, and it were but to roast their eggs. -- Francis Bacon From hardburn at runbox.com Tue Oct 1 22:35:08 2002 From: hardburn at runbox.com (Timm Murray) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 22:35:08 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] Changing Size of Swap Partition In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200210012235.12822.hardburn@runbox.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 01 October 2002 19:49, Mark Tinberg wrote: > On Tue, 1 Oct 2002, Timm Murray wrote: > > The nice and neat way of doing it would be to repartition your hard drive > > to create a bigger swap partition. Barring that, you can create a file > > that can be used as a new swap device: > > One could also create a new partition out of any previously unallocated > space, if such a beast existed 8^). The performance of a swap file in the > filesystem should always be less than the performance of a dedicated swap > partition just for the fact that you have to go through the filesystem > layer, which is more work than not. New swap spaces should automatically > have less priority than existing ones, in my experience, but you may want > to explicitly check that your dedicated swap space is used first. Yeah, I agree. You should use a new partition if you can. For better or for worse, I completely fill all my partitions when I have a new hard drive. > > > Next, create a loopback device for this file (be sure you have the > > loopback module in your kernel), and format it as a swap device: > > I've done this a few times when I've been running memory intensive jobs > and needed more memory _NOW_ and have found these steps unnecessary. Just > for clarification you should be able to: > > mkswap /path/to/file > swapon /path/to/file > > without explicitly defining a loopback block device. You can also set > this in /etc/fstab to mount on boot, which is handy if you make this > permanent. Hmm, good to know. > > Note that I'm not entirely sure that you will gain significant benefit > from more swap, unless you are pressed for memory. Excpet for kernels > between 2.4.0 and 2.4.9 that use the Rik van Riel VM subsystem, total swap > space is just added linearily to system memory and there is no magic > "right" amount of swap wrt real memory. In any case real memory is still > reletively cheap, so popping in 128M is probably a good thing. It was amazing how much better everything ran on my system after 2.4.10 . . . - -- X windows: The closer you look, the cruftier we look. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAj2aaW8ACgkQqpueKcacfLTsjgCguqyj9FEL+oYxV4nT8ALqRTTZ qkYAn3UbmIbkQrHHzUpy0CAlFylNyZfK =8Zo7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mtinberg at securepipe.com Wed Oct 2 23:03:19 2002 From: mtinberg at securepipe.com (Mark Tinberg) Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 23:03:19 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Madlug] Changing Size of Swap Partition In-Reply-To: <200210012235.12822.hardburn@runbox.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 1 Oct 2002, Timm Murray wrote: > It was amazing how much better everything ran on my system after 2.4.10 . . . > Heh, effing-A!. I'm running a very stable, and nicely patched 2.4.9 (RedHat) kernel, and it still has "swap storms" where it decided to swap out/in a bunch of data, causing the machine to stop processing completely for ~10-20 seconds. -- Mark Tinberg Network Security Engineer, SecurePipe Inc. Remember: Wherever you go, there you are! Key fingerprint = AF6B 0294 EE33 D802 F7A1 38A4 CF52 5FE0 7470 E5F7 Your daily fortune . . . Beware of geeks bearing graft. From michaelchuck at students.wisc.edu Wed Oct 2 23:39:30 2002 From: michaelchuck at students.wisc.edu (Jon Michaelchuck) Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 23:39:30 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] Wanted: 2.5 - 5 gb ide hard drive Message-ID: <20021002233930.C6711@blackbox.mad.chartermi.net> Hi, I was wondering if anyone out there has any spare small (functioning) ide hard drives, ie 2.5-5gb, that they would be willing to part with for a few bucks. I could pick it up... Thanks, Jon From rferguson at voyager.net Thu Oct 3 06:42:59 2002 From: rferguson at voyager.net (raymond) Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 07:42:59 -0400 Subject: [Madlug] Has anyone used Sourcerer GNU Linux? Message-ID: <200210030743.00029.rferguson@voyager.net> http://sorcerer.wox.org I was considering checking this out. It sounds neat. I wonder how it compares to Gentoo? Anyone have experience with it? -ray -- THE PRINCIPAL'S TOUPEE IS NOT A FRISBEE THE PRINCIPAL'S TOUPEE IS NOT A FRISBEE THE PRINCIPAL'S TOUPEE IS NOT A FRISBEE THE PRINCIPAL'S TOUPEE IS NOT A FRISBEE Bart Simpson on chalkboard in episode 9F12 From tom.landmann at upsidedownkingdom.org Thu Oct 3 11:10:49 2002 From: tom.landmann at upsidedownkingdom.org (Thomas Landmann) Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 11:10:49 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] Linux LAN Party Alpha Test - Friday October 11th - 7pm Message-ID: I'm thinking of having a small (4-6 player) Linux LAN Party get-together. This is because I can't wait to play until I have the time to arrange something on a larger scale. I can offer my house in Stoughton as a possible location, though we are doing some remodeling and I can't make any guarantees except a horizontal surface, power and network. Alternate location suggestions are welcome. Offical start time will be 7pm, but you might want to arrive early if you will need help configuring 3D support. I'm a pro at nvidia setup, but we can probably get non-nvidia cards working too. I'm thinking we'll play the Unreal Tournament 2003 Demo for sure. If you would like me to have additional game servers running just let me know. We could potentially play Quake3 Arena, Soldier of Fortune, and Unreal Tournament, but I don't currently have them installed. The UT2003 demo rocks and is super easy to install, suffering only from a shortage of maps. We'll order some pizza if there is interest (bring a few bucks to contribute) and I'll have cheap pop on hand (otherwise BYOB). If you are interested please RSVP ASAP. More details will follow as things come together. Thanks, Tom aka "ZombieChick" From kaufman at orion.physics.wisc.edu Thu Oct 3 23:57:09 2002 From: kaufman at orion.physics.wisc.edu (Mike Kaufman) Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 23:57:09 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] help with email redirection Message-ID: <20021003235709.M26002@trajan.zapto.org> I'm having some trouble sending mail to sourceforge addresses... My home machine is hooked up to the campus modem pool, and when I attempt to send mail to a sourceforge it's returns as undeliverable... ... while talking to mail.sourceforge.net.: >>> DATA <<< 550-Envelope sender verification failed <<< 550 rejected: Cannot route to envelope sender (The +envelope sender does not exist according to your mail server when it was asked): +response from orpheus.physics.wisc.edu [123.456.789.0] was 550 5.7.1 +... Relaying denied 554 5.0.0 someuser at users.sourceforge.net... Service unavailable My setup: I own a machine on campus with a static ip address and sendmail. On campus use that machine to check mail. At home I dial in and use fetchmail to get my mail from the campus machine. At home I got a hostname from no-ip.com (trajan.zapto.org). I set my MXs to orpheus.physics.wisc.edu and orion.physics.wisc.edu (both machines I own on campus with static ips) I dislike bothering with the reply-to in email headers so at home I 'spoof' my email headers as: From: Mike Kaufman using my MUA. This works alright most of the time, until a server like sourceforge sees if it's possible to bounce a message back to the sender. Since I'm not completely rewriting my header, I still have: >From kauf at trajan.zapto.org Thu Oct 3 18:16:04 2002 Return-Path: at the top of my messages. What do I need to do to make sourceforge feel better about the situation? What kind of magic do I need to work in the sendmail config files? Any help is appreciated. -mike From jschaupp at students.wisc.edu Fri Oct 4 15:03:32 2002 From: jschaupp at students.wisc.edu (JUERGEN SCHAUPP) Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 15:03:32 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] PPP setup problem in RH 8 Message-ID: <2a1e492a1372.2a13722a1e49@wiscmail.wisc.edu> I installed RH 8, and now my dialup is broken. This is probably not a RH 8 problem, it's just that I upgraded several times already and some of the configuration is new and some is rather old. What happens: I dial up and as soon as pppd starts, it dies with error 2. Dialup isn't the problem. Wvdial connects, gives the username and password, starts pppd - which then dies. I tried it as root, so permission shouldn't be the problem either. If I do ifup ppp0, pppd dies again. It tells me, that ppp0 doesn't exist ??? Confused Juergen From mtinberg at securepipe.com Fri Oct 4 17:44:10 2002 From: mtinberg at securepipe.com (Mark Tinberg) Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 17:44:10 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Madlug] help with email redirection In-Reply-To: <20021003235709.M26002@trajan.zapto.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 3 Oct 2002, Mike Kaufman wrote: > ... while talking to mail.sourceforge.net.: > >>> DATA > <<< 550-Envelope sender verification failed > <<< 550 rejected: Cannot route to envelope sender > (The > +envelope sender does not exist according to your mail server when it was > asked): > +response from orpheus.physics.wisc.edu [123.456.789.0] was 550 5.7.1 > +... Relaying denied > 554 5.0.0 someuser at users.sourceforge.net... Service unavailable > This is exactally right. It appears that while you have your MX records in DNS for trajan.zapto.org pointing to orpheus and orion, you have not configured them to accept mail for your domain. SourceForge is (prudently, imho) checking to make sure that the return mail path, for bounces etc., is OK and it is not, the return path is bogus. I believe if you configure your mailservers to accept mail for trajan.zapto.org and forward it to you everything will be peachy, inconsistant mail headers and envelope not withstanding. > At home I got a hostname from no-ip.com (trajan.zapto.org). I set my MXs to > orpheus.physics.wisc.edu and orion.physics.wisc.edu (both machines I own on > campus with static ips) > I dislike bothering with the reply-to in email headers so at home I 'spoof' > my email headers as: From: Mike Kaufman > using my MUA. > > This works alright most of the time, until a server like sourceforge > sees if it's possible to bounce a message back to the sender. Since I'm not > completely rewriting my header, I still have: > > From kauf at trajan.zapto.org Thu Oct 3 18:16:04 2002 > Return-Path: > -- Mark Tinberg Network Security Engineer, SecurePipe Inc. Remember: Wherever you go, there you are! Key fingerprint = AF6B 0294 EE33 D802 F7A1 38A4 CF52 5FE0 7470 E5F7 From mtinberg at securepipe.com Fri Oct 4 17:47:56 2002 From: mtinberg at securepipe.com (Mark Tinberg) Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 17:47:56 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Madlug] PPP setup problem in RH 8 In-Reply-To: <2a1e492a1372.2a13722a1e49@wiscmail.wisc.edu> Message-ID: On Fri, 4 Oct 2002, JUERGEN SCHAUPP wrote: > I installed RH 8, and now my dialup is broken. This is probably not a RH I believe that RH8 has an "Internet Connection Wizard" (that may be a frontend to wvdial). It probably wouldn't hurt to just walk through this again, they may have changed/moved some config file or script that is causing your old wvdial setup to fail. Running through the dialup setup again should set everything the way it needs to work for RH8 (I would guess...) -- Mark Tinberg Network Security Engineer, SecurePipe Inc. Remember: Wherever you go, there you are! Key fingerprint = AF6B 0294 EE33 D802 F7A1 38A4 CF52 5FE0 7470 E5F7 Your daily fortune . . . ... this must be what it's like to be a COLLEGE GRADUATE!! From snowfall at mailbag.com Fri Oct 4 18:56:51 2002 From: snowfall at mailbag.com (snowfall) Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 18:56:51 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] PPP setup problem in RH 8 In-Reply-To: <2a1e492a1372.2a13722a1e49@wiscmail.wisc.edu> References: <2a1e492a1372.2a13722a1e49@wiscmail.wisc.edu> Message-ID: <20021004185651.30b095cc.snowfall@mailbag.com> On Fri, 04 Oct 2002 15:03:32 -0500 JUERGEN SCHAUPP wrote: > I installed RH 8, and now my dialup is broken. This is probably not a > RH 8 problem, it's just that I upgraded several times already and some > of the configuration is new and some is rather old. > What happens: > I dial up and as soon as pppd starts, it dies with error 2. Error 2 says: An error was detected in processing the options given, such as two mutually exclusive options being used. (check out man pppd) The options are in this file (in previous RHs anyway): /etc/ppp/options The only options now I use are: lock noauth noipdefault usepeerdns (that's the entire content of my /etc/ppp/options) If you want to see what the various options mean, look at the man page again. Other options I have used previously include defaultroute (if you are not using a network with the machine in question) and crtscts (which may be obsolete by now, I haven't used it in a while. I think the default is now to enable crtscts and if you need to disable it you specify nocrtscts). If you want to see what any of your options do, see the man page. If you find weird options in etc/ppp/options comment them out and try dialing up again. You can always put them back if you break something. If the machine thinks ppp0 doesn't exist, it sounds like RH got rid of it when you reconfigured your dialup and may have set up a new service ppp1 or some other name. You could try ifup ppp1 if editing /options doesn't help. Also find where your ppp log file is going and look to see what goes wrong during authentication, after dialup but before ppp dies. It could be something as simple as a bad password. MP From pali at charter.net Sat Oct 5 09:55:05 2002 From: pali at charter.net (pali) Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 09:55:05 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] RE: Madlug digest, Vol 1 #930 - 4 msgs In-Reply-To: <20021005112948.26405.45898.Mailman@franz.stat.wisc.edu> Message-ID: <000001c26c7f$30f8bfd0$e65ebc42@mdsn1.wi.home.com> I wanted to let everyone know that I enjoyed meeting you at the coffee shop. This is for the person who disconnected the fan on their CPU do to the noise. Your fan is set to run at 12 Volts but you can run it at 7 volts and it will be quieter and still move a little air over your heat sink. Take the power and ground wires from the CPU fan and connect them to the 12 and 5 volt wires from a standard power supply connector that you use for a hard drive or CD rom drive. You will have to do some splicing because the connectors wont match but then you fan will be a little quieter and still give you some cooling. HTH thank you for your time and have a good day Mike Daugird From wa4chq at qsl.net Sat Oct 5 12:57:26 2002 From: wa4chq at qsl.net (wa4chq at qsl.net) Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 13:57:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Madlug] Thanks Ernie Message-ID: Greetings group- And what a good group indeed. One of the Madlug members (Ernie) supplied me with the latest copy of Debian. I haven't got it working totally 100% but I am almost there. Thanks again, Ernie! All the best-- Neil T. -- http://www.qsl.net/wa4chq _ ___ _ _ _ ___ __ | | |_ _| \| | | | \ \/ / | |__ | || .` | |_| |> < |____|___|_|\_|\___//_/\_\ From don_schultz at panvera.com Sat Oct 5 15:27:21 2002 From: don_schultz at panvera.com (Don Schultz) Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 15:27:21 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] 21" monitors, i have 3 of them for sale Message-ID: <72CF2973A7532D478D85271D40F608FC3A185C@mercury.panvera.com> for sale I have 2 nokia 445x pro 21" monitors, they're both off corporate lease and have been inspected and refurbished if needed. both work perfectly and are in EXCELLENT condition. they accept either bnc or vga inputs and has a switch on the front for switching between the 2 inputs. -i'm asking $250 each and will hand-deliver them anywhere in the madison area for free I also have 1 IBM POWERdisplay 20, 21" monitor, missing the front controls cover, the screen is nice and still very usable but does not converge fully, some areas of the screen are a tiny bit out of focus as what usually happens to some trinitron screens. I'm asking $100 for it and again, will hand deliver anywhere in madison for free. -don schultz- From will at upl.cs.wisc.edu Sun Oct 6 11:07:44 2002 From: will at upl.cs.wisc.edu (Will McDonald) Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 11:07:44 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] Re: Fan quieting In-Reply-To: <000001c26c7f$30f8bfd0$e65ebc42@mdsn1.wi.home.com> References: <20021005112948.26405.45898.Mailman@franz.stat.wisc.edu> <000001c26c7f$30f8bfd0$e65ebc42@mdsn1.wi.home.com> Message-ID: <20021006160744.GA12107@cs.wisc.edu> Or you can buy a quieter fan. I'm very interested in quieting my computer, and I've looked into this. http://www.coldcpu.com/product.asp?alphacatid=60MM ColdCPU has cfm (cubic feet/minute) and decibel ratings for their fans. There is only one quiet 60mm fan listed here, but it only puts out 12cfm probably not enough). There are, however, a number of quiet 80mm fans, and you can buy an adapter to use on an a standard heatisnk. There are also a lot of other steps you can take to quiet your computer, such as getting a quiet PSU (http://www.xpcgear.com/quietcooling.html) using a non-standard heatsink (Zalman "flower" heatsink), replacing your case fans with quiet versions, and buying HD enclosures (http://www.xpcgear.com/quietcooling.html). Remember that sound is not linearly additive, so if you reduce all your components to ~21dB the total noise will only be slightly higher than that, and in a quiet room 21dB is considered nearly silent. Good luck! -will On Sat, Oct 05, 2002 at 09:55:05AM -0500, pali wrote: > > I wanted to let everyone know that I enjoyed meeting you at the coffee shop. > > This is for the person who disconnected the fan on their CPU do to the noise. > > Your fan is set to run at 12 Volts but you can run it at 7 volts and it will be > quieter and still move a little air over your heat sink. > Take the power and ground wires from the CPU fan and connect them to the 12 and > 5 volt wires from a standard power supply connector that you use for a hard > drive or CD rom drive. You will have to do some splicing because the connectors > wont match but then you fan will be a little quieter and still give you some > cooling. > HTH -- ---------Will McDonald-----------------will at upl.cs.wisc.edu---------- GPG encrypted mail preferred. Join the web-o-trust! Key ID: F4332B28 From pali at charter.net Sun Oct 6 13:50:47 2002 From: pali at charter.net (pali) Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 13:50:47 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] anyone see one of these? Message-ID: <000001c26d69$48af5900$e65ebc42@mdsn1.wi.home.com> http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?product_id=1957333&cat=86796&type=19& dept=3944&path=0%3A3944%3A3951%3A41937%3A86796 I was wondering about this distro. can I not use the 99 Subscription service and install normal RPM's Anyone think that I could load the new redhat on this? I have never seen a VIA C3 CPU and I remember someone speaking to the fact that certain compile options needed to be used when a C3 CPU is in the mix. I kind of like the idea of a no fan on the heatsink system. I guess the video is kind of bad but with 256 meg of mem going for 30 bucks I could get this thing to run non graphical apps. this is cheap enough for me to kick around different distros, if compiling works I could try gentoo any thoughts or experiences? Thank you for your time and have a good day Mike Daugird pali at charter.net From mwmayer at tds.net Mon Oct 7 07:16:19 2002 From: mwmayer at tds.net (Mike Mayer) Date: 07 Oct 2002 07:16:19 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] Re: Fan quieting In-Reply-To: <20021006160744.GA12107@cs.wisc.edu> References: <20021005112948.26405.45898.Mailman@franz.stat.wisc.edu> <000001c26c7f$30f8bfd0$e65ebc42@mdsn1.wi.home.com> <20021006160744.GA12107@cs.wisc.edu> Message-ID: <1033992984.14209.3.camel@auberon.circuitfarm.com> Also: http://www.quietpcusa.com/ On Sun, 2002-10-06 at 11:07, Will McDonald wrote: > Or you can buy a quieter fan. I'm very interested in quieting my > computer, and I've looked into this. > > http://www.coldcpu.com/product.asp?alphacatid=60MM > ColdCPU has cfm (cubic feet/minute) and decibel ratings for their fans. > There is only one quiet 60mm fan listed here, but it only puts out 12cfm probably not enough). There are, however, a number of quiet 80mm fans, and you can buy an adapter to use on an a standard heatisnk. > > There are also a lot of other steps you can take to quiet your computer, > such as getting a quiet PSU (http://www.xpcgear.com/quietcooling.html) > using a non-standard heatsink (Zalman "flower" heatsink), replacing your > case fans with quiet versions, and buying HD enclosures > (http://www.xpcgear.com/quietcooling.html). > > Remember that sound is not linearly additive, so if you reduce all your > components to ~21dB the total noise will only be slightly higher than > that, and in a quiet room 21dB is considered nearly silent. > > Good luck! > -will > > On Sat, Oct 05, 2002 at 09:55:05AM -0500, pali wrote: > > > > I wanted to let everyone know that I enjoyed meeting you at the coffee shop. > > > > This is for the person who disconnected the fan on their CPU do to the noise. > > > > Your fan is set to run at 12 Volts but you can run it at 7 volts and it will be > > quieter and still move a little air over your heat sink. > > Take the power and ground wires from the CPU fan and connect them to the 12 and > > 5 volt wires from a standard power supply connector that you use for a hard > > drive or CD rom drive. You will have to do some splicing because the connectors > > wont match but then you fan will be a little quieter and still give you some > > cooling. > > HTH > > -- > ---------Will McDonald-----------------will at upl.cs.wisc.edu---------- > GPG encrypted mail preferred. Join the web-o-trust! Key ID: F4332B28 > > > _______________________________________________ > Madlug mailing list - Madlug at madisonlinux.org > http://www.madisonlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/madlug -- ============================================================================= Mike Mayer mwmayer at tds.net From dbutler at impressions.com Mon Oct 7 08:30:09 2002 From: dbutler at impressions.com (Damon Butler) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 08:30:09 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] To make a modem device file Message-ID: <200210070830.09677.dbutler@impressions.com> So I'm trying to use setserial to configure my internal PCI US Robotics/3COM modem, but it complains that I don't have a device file available. (Yes, it is a hardware-controlled modem, not a winmodem. I've used it under linux before.) 'lspci -vv' has told me the IRQ and i/o port address to use, I just need a device file to configure it. None of usual /dev/ttyS* or similar device files are free for the taking, so I have to make a new one. (I'm thinking I'll make /dev/modem.) The man and info pages for mknod are easy enough to understand. I use it to make a character special file with appropriate permissions. But they also insist that I supply "major and minor device numbers" for the file. What the heck are these? And how do I determine what they should be? (Or what they already are?) --Damon From parzamendi at charter.net Mon Oct 7 10:48:28 2002 From: parzamendi at charter.net (Peter Arzamendi) Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 11:48:28 -0400 Subject: [Madlug] Capture card for Linux Message-ID: Hello All, I looking for recommendations on a video capture card for Linux. I'm looking at running FreeVo (freevo.souceforge.net) and some other apps. Capture cards are new to me so I asking for your help. Can you send me your good and bad experiences with your capture cards. thanks, Pete From ricko73 at yahoo.com Mon Oct 7 11:20:54 2002 From: ricko73 at yahoo.com (Hartman Darrick) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 09:20:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Madlug] Capture card for Linux In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20021007162054.21105.qmail@web12504.mail.yahoo.com> Pete- The WinTV Cards by Hauppauge are a good choice. You can usually pick up these on Ebay for around $50. I know there are others available that use the same BT787 chipset (bttv module). Google around a bit for some info. I've looked at the project but it's not mature enough for me yet (I'm trying too many other beta projects). If you come up with a reasonably priced multi-input/multi chip (one chip per channel) board in your search, please let me know. I'm in the process of implementing a video surveillance system (Motion--also on sf) using linux and video capture cards. I haven't had a chance to try my ATI Radeon AIW card yet. It _should_ work for capturing. It's the TV-out that's flakey with the ATI cards. Good luck, Darrick __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From bethenco at upl.cs.wisc.edu Mon Oct 7 11:36:21 2002 From: bethenco at upl.cs.wisc.edu (John Bethencourt) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 11:36:21 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] Capture card for Linux In-Reply-To: <20021007162054.21105.qmail@web12504.mail.yahoo.com>; from ricko73@yahoo.com on Mon, Oct 07, 2002 at 09:20:54AM -0700 References: <20021007162054.21105.qmail@web12504.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20021007113621.A5791@upl.cs.wisc.edu> I managed to pick up a Hauppauge BT787 card on ebay for about $20-$30 (I don't remember exactly). I've been using it for surveillance and to hook up my ps1 to my monitor. Loads of fun and easy to get working with linux. By the way, motion is a *very* cool program. It's also useful for making webcams. John Bethencourt On Mon, Oct 07, 2002 at 09:20:54AM -0700, Hartman Darrick wrote: > Pete- > > The WinTV Cards by Hauppauge are a good choice. You > can usually pick up these on Ebay for around $50. I > know there are others available that use the same > BT787 chipset (bttv module). Google around a bit for > some info. I've looked at the project but it's not > mature enough for me yet (I'm trying too many other > beta projects). If you come up with a reasonably > priced multi-input/multi chip (one chip per channel) > board in your search, please let me know. I'm in the > process of implementing a video surveillance system > (Motion--also on sf) using linux and video capture > cards. > > I haven't had a chance to try my ATI Radeon AIW card > yet. It _should_ work for capturing. It's the TV-out > that's flakey with the ATI cards. > > Good luck, > > Darrick > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More > http://faith.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > Madlug mailing list - Madlug at madisonlinux.org > http://www.madisonlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/madlug From rferguson at voyager.net Mon Oct 7 13:10:40 2002 From: rferguson at voyager.net (Ray Ferguson) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 13:10:40 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] Capture card for Linux In-Reply-To: <20021007113621.A5791@upl.cs.wisc.edu> References: <20021007162054.21105.qmail@web12504.mail.yahoo.com> <20021007113621.A5791@upl.cs.wisc.edu> Message-ID: <200210071310.40462.rferguson@voyager.net> I managed to get the ATI TV Wonder Light working on my linux box w/ the bttv mod and have been using it for some time without any complaints. Back when I was using an ATI card I used to use fbtv (frame buffer version of xawtv) with mod atyfb. Fbtv was sweet, but alas, my new NVidea card locks up if I use the kernel mod for high res fb support and the proprietary NV driver for X. This is (was) a know problem that their suggested fix was choosing one or the other. I should check the latest release notes for NVdriver to see whussup. Maybe they fixed it. Anyway, the ati card was dirt cheap at around $20 or $30 dollars new. -ray. On Monday 07 October 2002 11:36 am, John Bethencourt wrote: > I managed to pick up a Hauppauge BT787 card on ebay for about $20-$30 > (I don't remember exactly). I've been using it for surveillance and to > hook up my ps1 to my monitor. Loads of fun and easy to get working with > linux. By the way, motion is a *very* cool program. It's also useful > for making webcams. > > John Bethencourt > > On Mon, Oct 07, 2002 at 09:20:54AM -0700, Hartman Darrick wrote: > > Pete- > > > > The WinTV Cards by Hauppauge are a good choice. You > > can usually pick up these on Ebay for around $50. I > > know there are others available that use the same > > BT787 chipset (bttv module). Google around a bit for > > some info. I've looked at the project but it's not > > mature enough for me yet (I'm trying too many other > > beta projects). If you come up with a reasonably > > priced multi-input/multi chip (one chip per channel) > > board in your search, please let me know. I'm in the > > process of implementing a video surveillance system > > (Motion--also on sf) using linux and video capture > > cards. > > > > I haven't had a chance to try my ATI Radeon AIW card > > yet. It _should_ work for capturing. It's the TV-out > > that's flakey with the ATI cards. > > > > Good luck, > > > > Darrick > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More > > http://faith.yahoo.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Madlug mailing list - Madlug at madisonlinux.org > > http://www.madisonlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/madlug > > _______________________________________________ > Madlug mailing list - Madlug at madisonlinux.org > http://www.madisonlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/madlug From jschaupp at students.wisc.edu Mon Oct 7 14:02:00 2002 From: jschaupp at students.wisc.edu (jschaupp) Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 14:02:00 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] PPP setup problem in RH 8 References: <2a1e492a1372.2a13722a1e49@wiscmail.wisc.edu> <20021004185651.30b095cc.snowfall@mailbag.com> Message-ID: <3DA1DA28.7020901@wisc.edu> snowfall wrote: >On Fri, 04 Oct 2002 15:03:32 -0500 >JUERGEN SCHAUPP wrote: > > > >>I installed RH 8, and now my dialup is broken. This is probably not a >>RH 8 problem, it's just that I upgraded several times already and some >>of the configuration is new and some is rather old. >>What happens: >>I dial up and as soon as pppd starts, it dies with error 2. >> >> > > >Error 2 says: An error was detected in processing the options > given, such as two mutually exclusive options being > used. >(check out man pppd) > >The options are in this file (in previous RHs anyway): >/etc/ppp/options > >The only options now I use are: >lock >noauth >noipdefault >usepeerdns > >(that's the entire content of my /etc/ppp/options) > >If you want to see what the various options mean, look at >the man page again. Other options I have used previously >include defaultroute (if you are not using a network with >the machine in question) and crtscts (which may be obsolete >by now, I haven't used it in a while. I think the default >is now to enable crtscts and if you need to disable it >you specify nocrtscts). If you want to see >what any of your options do, see the man page. > >If you find weird options in etc/ppp/options >comment them out and try dialing up again. You can >always put them back if you break something. > >If the machine thinks ppp0 doesn't exist, it sounds like >RH got rid of it when you reconfigured your dialup and may >have set up a new service ppp1 or some other name. You >could try ifup ppp1 if editing /options doesn't help. > >Also find where your ppp log file is going and look >to see what goes wrong during authentication, after >dialup but before ppp dies. It could be something as >simple as a bad password. > >MP > > I used to have an options file with just 'lock' in it and it used to work in 7.3 I checked /var/log/messages and the logfile showed that it was looking for some modules that don't exist. Anyway, I changed the options file and made sure they are the same in the peers configuration (for wvdial). I also got ppp0 back. Now, pppd starts and hangs. Actually, it doesn't hang: ppp0 is "up", ifconfig shows it with an address of 10.64.64.64 (haha) but it just doesn't use the modem. The network seems to be completly screwed up. I checked some newsgroups and found people with the same problem after getting RH8.0. So, now I think that it really *is* a RH 8.0 problem. I quess, I have a mixture of new and old settings in different places (RH 8 introduced some new and additional places where to store network setings). I will have to get rid of everything and rebuild the network settings. Ironically, dialup always worked before. It's just that the ppp scripts relied on ipchains, which means I couldn't switch to iptables without rewriting some scripts. I didn't want to do that and thought upgrading to 8.0 was the easier way :) Juergen From mtinberg at securepipe.com Mon Oct 7 17:40:28 2002 From: mtinberg at securepipe.com (Mark Tinberg) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 17:40:28 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Madlug] To make a modem device file In-Reply-To: <200210070830.09677.dbutler@impressions.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 7 Oct 2002, Damon Butler wrote: > So I'm trying to use setserial to configure my internal PCI US Robotics/3COM > modem, but it complains that I don't have a device file available. (Yes, it > is a hardware-controlled modem, not a winmodem. I've used it under linux > before.) 'lspci -vv' has told me the IRQ and i/o port address to use, I just > need a device file to configure it. None of usual /dev/ttyS* or similar > device files are free for the taking, so I have to make a new one. (I'm > thinking I'll make /dev/modem.) > I don't think that you need to use mknod to create more ttyS* device files, just use one that you have. 1) grep tty /var/log/dmesg * This will tell you what serial devices it has already detected and are not available for you to use for the 3Com. 2) setserial /dev/ttyS${available number} port $IOPORT irq $IRQ autoconfig Tada! Should work. Also note that on some newer distros, PCI serial devices like the 3Com modem are detected automatically, be aware of this when you look through the dmesg output. You may not have to do anything at all! -- Mark Tinberg Network Security Engineer, SecurePipe Inc. Remember: Wherever you go, there you are! Key fingerprint = AF6B 0294 EE33 D802 F7A1 38A4 CF52 5FE0 7470 E5F7 Your daily fortune . . . There never was a good war or a bad peace. -- B. Franklin From hardburn at runbox.com Mon Oct 7 16:43:20 2002 From: hardburn at runbox.com (Timm Murray) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 16:43:20 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] To make a modem device file In-Reply-To: <200210070830.09677.dbutler@impressions.com> References: <200210070830.09677.dbutler@impressions.com> Message-ID: <200210071643.26637.hardburn@runbox.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 07 October 2002 08:30, Damon Butler wrote: > So I'm trying to use setserial to configure my internal PCI US > Robotics/3COM modem, but it complains that I don't have a device file > available. (Yes, it is a hardware-controlled modem, not a winmodem. I've > used it under linux before.) 'lspci -vv' has told me the IRQ and i/o port > address to use, I just need a device file to configure it. None of usual > /dev/ttyS* or similar device files are free for the taking, so I have to > make a new one. (I'm thinking I'll make /dev/modem.) > > The man and info pages for mknod are easy enough to understand. I use it to > make a character special file with appropriate permissions. But they also > insist that I supply "major and minor device numbers" for the file. What > the heck are these? And how do I determine what they should be? (Or what > they already are?) I also have a US Robotics PCI modem. Mine sits on /dev/ttyS4 (that's COM5 in DOS). I didn't orginally have that file, so I had to create it (though now I use devfs). [1635-/dev/pts/10][timm~]$ ls -l /dev/ttyS* lr-xr-xr-x 1 root root 5 Sep 6 14:10 /dev/ttyS0 -> tts/0 lr-xr-xr-x 1 root root 5 Sep 6 14:10 /dev/ttyS1 -> tts/1 lr-xr-xr-x 1 root root 5 Sep 6 14:10 /dev/ttyS4 -> tts/4 [1635-/dev/pts/10][timm~]$ ls -l /dev/tts/? crw-rw---- 1 root dialout 4, 64 Dec 31 1969 /dev/tts/0 crw-rw---- 1 root dialout 4, 65 Dec 31 1969 /dev/tts/1 crw-r----- 1 root dialout 4, 68 Oct 7 16:20 /dev/tts/4 [1635-/dev/pts/10][timm~]$ See the extra entry in the 'ls -l' output? 4 is the major number, and 6x is the minor numbers. The minor numbers are: 64=ttyS0 65=ttyS1 66=ttyS2 67=ttyS3 68=ttyS4 And so on. Essentially, the kernel doesn't care what you actually call your device. It just matches the major-minor numbers with a particular driver and sends any communications specified for those numbers to that driver. Take a look at the output of 'dmesg' on your system. It should probably say something about your modem being intitilized on a certain device. Create that device in your /dev. The offical major-minor numbers are documented in the kernel sources under Documentation/devices.txt. - -- Behind every great computer sits a skinny little geek. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAj2h//0ACgkQqpueKcacfLRQ+gCfUguVOYKfl/49cOoP8NRZC4Vt 1OgAn1Jv/ZZAqgABUL/3Ru5JGlS6DS1A =PQiW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dbutler at impressions.com Tue Oct 8 08:25:02 2002 From: dbutler at impressions.com (Damon Butler) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 08:25:02 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] To make a modem device file In-Reply-To: <200210071643.26637.hardburn@runbox.com> References: <200210070830.09677.dbutler@impressions.com> <200210071643.26637.hardburn@runbox.com> Message-ID: <200210080825.02698.dbutler@impressions.com> Thanks for all the info, everyone. I didn't get all the messages before I went home yesterday, unfortnately, but I was able to create a new device file and hook my modem up to it. It would work ... until I restarted my computer, when I would continually get "Modem Busy" errors (essentially) when trying to access it. Frustrating. Delete device, turn off computer, turn on computer, recreate device .... Ugh. Something was definitely wrong. > I also have a US Robotics PCI modem. Mine sits on /dev/ttyS4 (that's COM5 > in DOS). I didn't orginally have that file, so I had to create it (though > now I use devfs). > > crw-r----- 1 root dialout 4, 68 Oct 7 16:20 /dev/tts/4 > [1635-/dev/pts/10][timm~]$ I'm using devfs, too, and I also have the /dev/tts/4 entry. Last night I assumed it was already "in use" by something, since no query to my modem through the usual channels under my previous linux distro worked. Hence my assumption that I had to create a new device file. It did occur to me on my walk to work just now to try using tts/4. I'll try linking /dev/modem to /dev/tts/4 tonight and see if that fixes everything. I expect it will. Thanks for the suggestion. > Take a look at the output of 'dmesg' on your system. It should probably > say something about your modem being intitilized on a certain device. Interesting that a few of you mentioned dmesg. I've already done that -- and there's a curious error message.... ----- [...] pty: 256 Unix98 ptys configured Serial driver version 5.05c (2001-07-08) with MANY_PORTS SHARE_IRQ SERIAL_PCI enabled ttyS00 at 0x03f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A ttyS01 at 0x02f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A Redundant entry in serial pci_table. Please send the output of lspci -vv, this message (12b9,1008,12b9,00a2) and the manufacturer and name of serial board or modem board to serial-pci-info at lists.sourceforge.net. ttyS04 at port 0xec00 (irq = 11) is a 16550A [...] ----- I sent the entirety of the dmesg output plus the output of lspci -vv to the listed e-mail address about 6 days ago, but haven't heard anything back. I have ttyS# entries, under /dev/tts/, of 1, 2, and 4. I presume the 2 entry is the redundant one, and (as we just mentioned), 4 would be the modem. Does anybody on this list know what might be happening with my computer? I don't notice any problems from having a "redundant entry" in my "serial pci_table". --Damon From scott at wysereeser.com Mon Oct 7 15:05:09 2002 From: scott at wysereeser.com (scott reeser) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 15:05:09 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Madlug] Capture card for Linux In-Reply-To: <200210071310.40462.rferguson@voyager.net> References: <20021007162054.21105.qmail@web12504.mail.yahoo.com> <20021007113621.A5791@upl.cs.wisc.edu> <200210071310.40462.rferguson@voyager.net> Message-ID: <60602.128.104.226.3.1034021109.squirrel@mail.wysereeser.com> Just a curious point, but is the ATI TV Wonder Light you mention, the same as the ATI TV Wonder VE? Initial glance, I couldn't find a listing for the *Light* version. scott > I managed to get the ATI TV Wonder Light working on my linux box w/ the > bttv mod and have been using it for some time without any complaints. > Back when I was using an ATI card I used to use fbtv (frame buffer > version of xawtv) with mod atyfb. Fbtv was sweet, but alas, my new > NVidea card locks up if I use the kernel mod for high res fb support > and the proprietary NV driver for X. This is (was) a know problem that > their suggested fix was choosing one or the other. I should check the > latest release notes for NVdriver to see whussup. Maybe they fixed it. > Anyway, the ati card was dirt cheap at around $20 or $30 dollars new. > > -ray. > > On Monday 07 October 2002 11:36 am, John Bethencourt wrote: >> I managed to pick up a Hauppauge BT787 card on ebay for about $20-$30 >> (I don't remember exactly). I've been using it for surveillance and to >> hook up my ps1 to my monitor. Loads of fun and easy to get working >> with linux. By the way, motion is a *very* cool program. It's also >> useful for making webcams. >> >> John Bethencourt >> >> On Mon, Oct 07, 2002 at 09:20:54AM -0700, Hartman Darrick wrote: >> > Pete- >> > >> > The WinTV Cards by Hauppauge are a good choice. You >> > can usually pick up these on Ebay for around $50. I >> > know there are others available that use the same >> > BT787 chipset (bttv module). Google around a bit for >> > some info. I've looked at the project but it's not >> > mature enough for me yet (I'm trying too many other >> > beta projects). If you come up with a reasonably >> > priced multi-input/multi chip (one chip per channel) >> > board in your search, please let me know. I'm in the >> > process of implementing a video surveillance system >> > (Motion--also on sf) using linux and video capture >> > cards. >> > >> > I haven't had a chance to try my ATI Radeon AIW card >> > yet. It _should_ work for capturing. It's the TV-out >> > that's flakey with the ATI cards. >> > >> > Good luck, >> > >> > Darrick >> > >> > __________________________________________________ >> > Do you Yahoo!? >> > Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More >> > http://faith.yahoo.com >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Madlug mailing list - Madlug at madisonlinux.org >> > http://www.madisonlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/madlug >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Madlug mailing list - Madlug at madisonlinux.org >> http://www.madisonlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/madlug > > > _______________________________________________ > Madlug mailing list - Madlug at madisonlinux.org > http://www.madisonlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/madlug From ricko73 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 8 10:04:19 2002 From: ricko73 at yahoo.com (Hartman Darrick) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 08:04:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Madlug] Capture card for Linux In-Reply-To: <60602.128.104.226.3.1034021109.squirrel@mail.wysereeser.com> Message-ID: <20021008150419.41154.qmail@web12505.mail.yahoo.com> VE and Light are the same thing. VE is the newer version where Light was their old designation. --- scott reeser wrote: > Just a curious point, but is the ATI TV Wonder Light > you mention, the same > as the ATI TV Wonder VE? Initial glance, I couldn't > find a listing for the > *Light* version. > > scott > > > > I managed to get the ATI TV Wonder Light working > on my linux box w/ the > > bttv mod and have been using it for some time > without any complaints. > > Back when I was using an ATI card I used to use > fbtv (frame buffer > > version of xawtv) with mod atyfb. Fbtv was > sweet, but alas, my new > > NVidea card locks up if I use the kernel mod for > high res fb support > > and the proprietary NV driver for X. This is > (was) a know problem that > > their suggested fix was choosing one or the > other. I should check the > > latest release notes for NVdriver to see whussup. > Maybe they fixed it. > > Anyway, the ati card was dirt cheap at around $20 > or $30 dollars new. > > > > -ray. > > > > On Monday 07 October 2002 11:36 am, John > Bethencourt wrote: > >> I managed to pick up a Hauppauge BT787 card on > ebay for about $20-$30 > >> (I don't remember exactly). I've been using it > for surveillance and to > >> hook up my ps1 to my monitor. Loads of fun and > easy to get working > >> with linux. By the way, motion is a *very* cool > program. It's also > >> useful for making webcams. > >> > >> John Bethencourt > >> > >> On Mon, Oct 07, 2002 at 09:20:54AM -0700, Hartman > Darrick wrote: > >> > Pete- > >> > > >> > The WinTV Cards by Hauppauge are a good choice. > You > >> > can usually pick up these on Ebay for around > $50. I > >> > know there are others available that use the > same > >> > BT787 chipset (bttv module). Google around a > bit for > >> > some info. I've looked at the project but it's > not > >> > mature enough for me yet (I'm trying too many > other > >> > beta projects). If you come up with a > reasonably > >> > priced multi-input/multi chip (one chip per > channel) > >> > board in your search, please let me know. I'm > in the > >> > process of implementing a video surveillance > system > >> > (Motion--also on sf) using linux and video > capture > >> > cards. > >> > > >> > I haven't had a chance to try my ATI Radeon AIW > card > >> > yet. It _should_ work for capturing. It's the > TV-out > >> > that's flakey with the ATI cards. > >> > > >> > Good luck, > >> > > >> > Darrick > >> > > >> > > __________________________________________________ > >> > Do you Yahoo!? > >> > Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & > More > >> > http://faith.yahoo.com > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Madlug mailing list - Madlug at madisonlinux.org > >> > > http://www.madisonlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/madlug > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Madlug mailing list - Madlug at madisonlinux.org > >> > http://www.madisonlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/madlug > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Madlug mailing list - Madlug at madisonlinux.org > > > http://www.madisonlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/madlug > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Madlug mailing list - Madlug at madisonlinux.org > http://www.madisonlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/madlug __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From tom.landmann at upsidedownkingdom.org Tue Oct 8 16:45:19 2002 From: tom.landmann at upsidedownkingdom.org (Thomas Landmann) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 16:45:19 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] UPDATE: Linux LAN Party Alpha Test - Friday October 11th - 7pm Message-ID: So far there are two confirmed players (three including me!). Please let me know right away if you are interested but haven't told me yet. Feel free to bring a friend, but they have to be running Linux! The details: When: Gaming begins at 7pm, come earlier to setup, even earlier if you need help configuring X for 3D. (anytime after 5:30pm is fine with me.) Where: 209 W Randolph St, Stoughton, WI 53589 http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?&country=us&addr=209+W+Randolph+St&city=Sto ughton&state=WI&zip=53589-2552&mag=9 Bring: Your gaming system, outlet strip, network patch cable, heavy-duty grounded extention cord, and a few bucks for pizza... (if I forgot to mention something, bring it anyway! ;-) Questions? Call or email me! It might be possible to support a few people remotely, if you think you'd like to join us via the net, let me know. Thanks, Tom (aka Zombiechick) zc at upsidedownkingdom.org 608-877-1104 -----Original Message----- From: madlug-admin at madisonlinux.org [mailto:madlug-admin at madisonlinux.org]On Behalf Of Thomas Landmann Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 11:11 AM To: madlug at madisonlinux.org Subject: [Madlug] Linux LAN Party Alpha Test - Friday October 11th - 7pm I'm thinking of having a small (4-6 player) Linux LAN Party get-together. This is because I can't wait to play until I have the time to arrange something on a larger scale. I can offer my house in Stoughton as a possible location, though we are doing some remodeling and I can't make any guarantees except a horizontal surface, power and network. Alternate location suggestions are welcome. Offical start time will be 7pm, but you might want to arrive early if you will need help configuring 3D support. I'm a pro at nvidia setup, but we can probably get non-nvidia cards working too. I'm thinking we'll play the Unreal Tournament 2003 Demo for sure. If you would like me to have additional game servers running just let me know. We could potentially play Quake3 Arena, Soldier of Fortune, and Unreal Tournament, but I don't currently have them installed. The UT2003 demo rocks and is super easy to install, suffering only from a shortage of maps. We'll order some pizza if there is interest (bring a few bucks to contribute) and I'll have cheap pop on hand (otherwise BYOB). If you are interested please RSVP ASAP. More details will follow as things come together. Thanks, Tom aka "ZombieChick" _______________________________________________ Madlug mailing list - Madlug at madisonlinux.org http://www.madisonlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/madlug From bates at stat.wisc.edu Tue Oct 8 17:13:33 2002 From: bates at stat.wisc.edu (Douglas Bates) Date: 08 Oct 2002 17:13:33 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] Nvidia, Debian 3.1, XFree86 4.1 Message-ID: <6rptuk37g2.fsf@bates3.stat.wisc.edu> I will be installing Debian 3.0 on a couple of new computers with Nvidia video cards (Geforce 2, MX400, 64MB). It is likely that we will switch to Debian 3.1 (testing) and install a 2.4.19 kernel and XFree86 4.1.0. I don't think I will go with the XFree86 4.2.1 packages in unstable unless there are good reasons for doing so. I will download and build the nvidia-glx-src and nvidia-kernel-src packages. Is there anything else I should do for this hardware configuration? From wa4chq at qsl.net Tue Oct 8 20:40:34 2002 From: wa4chq at qsl.net (wa4chq at qsl.net) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 21:40:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Madlug] Error message Message-ID: Greetings all- I downloaded a graphics program called "Compupic". I had no problems with the download or installing the rpm, but for some reason, some of the functions caused the program to crash. I tried running the rpm unistall, but I couldn't get that to work. Here is the error message I get: Tue Oct 8 Hello OM: compupic compupic: abnormal termination: segmentation fault Has anyone on the list used this graphic's program and encountered the error message? What is a 'segmentation fault'? Cheers- Neil T. -- http://www.qsl.net/wa4chq _ ___ _ _ _ ___ __ | | |_ _| \| | | | \ \/ / | |__ | || .` | |_| |> < |____|___|_|\_|\___//_/\_\ From rickphil at hotpop.com Tue Oct 8 20:41:12 2002 From: rickphil at hotpop.com (Rick Phillips) Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 20:41:12 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] Nvidia, Debian 3.1, XFree86 4.1 References: <6rptuk37g2.fsf@bates3.stat.wisc.edu> Message-ID: <3DA38938.4080206@hotpop.com> Read the Nvidia documentation well. While they've cleaned up their act pretty well since they first started posting their drivers, they do some things a little unusual. The GLX compile is a one time "compile". Basically the "compile" deletes the stock OpenGL files, then copies the NV_GL files to the proper directories. Nvidia's weirdest parts of this process is that the new OpenGL header files for gl.h, glx.h, and glxtokens.h are placed in "/usr/share/doc/NVIDIA_GLX-1.0/include/GL" instead of the "/usr/X11R6/include/GL", so you must manually move them into place so that any new programs you compile find the proper "NV" headers. The kernel is a little trickier. The nv_kernel compile actually creates loadable external modules in "/lib/modules/2.4.xx". The tricky part is that If you are running a 2.4.18 kernel and recompile to 2.4.19, you must reboot into the new 2.4.19 kernel version number before doing the NV_kernel compile.... you must compile the NV-kernel under the linux kernel version you plan on running. When I change kernel versions, I compile the new linux kernel, reboot into the new kernel in single-user mode, run the NV_kernel compile, then reboot back into multi-user mode. Every time you recompile your 2.4.19 kernel, you also have to re-run the nv-kernel recompile. As long as the linux kernel versions don't change, don't have to reboot before running the NV_kernel compile. Something I've noticed with the new 2.4.19 kernel.....the boys/girls working on open source are unhappy with Nvidia's closed source drivers. Every time you do an NV_kernel compile, you'll get a message about proprietary closed source modules dilluting or polluting (or something like that) the linux kernel / GPL / whatever.... Kinda makes me chuckle......reminds me of when I ran MS-Dos programs under LS-DOS (or DR-Dos if you were so inclined)...."warning...running an MS application under a non-MS operating system is risky and could permanently damage your computer....." I really miss the good old days! Douglas Bates wrote: >I will be installing Debian 3.0 on a couple of new computers with >Nvidia video cards (Geforce 2, MX400, 64MB). It is likely that we >will switch to Debian 3.1 (testing) and install a 2.4.19 kernel and >XFree86 4.1.0. I don't think I will go with the XFree86 4.2.1 >packages in unstable unless there are good reasons for doing so. > >I will download and build the nvidia-glx-src and nvidia-kernel-src >packages. Is there anything else I should do for this hardware >configuration? > > >_______________________________________________ >Madlug mailing list - Madlug at madisonlinux.org >http://www.madisonlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/madlug > > > From carder at cae.wisc.edu Tue Oct 8 22:18:55 2002 From: carder at cae.wisc.edu (Dale W. Carder) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 22:18:55 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] java question Message-ID: <20021008221854.A1378@cae.wisc.edu> After not touching java in about a year I have to ask a stupid question: Does java have associative arrays and how do they work? I want to access an array like foo[B][A][R] =0, where b,a,r are variables of type char. Otherwise i guess I will need to write a subroutine (or function, or method, whatever) That would do foo(char a, char b, char c), and it would have to map that into a regular indexed array. Dale From creining at packetfu.org Tue Oct 8 22:41:11 2002 From: creining at packetfu.org (Chris Reining) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 22:41:11 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] java question In-Reply-To: <20021008221854.A1378@cae.wisc.edu> References: <20021008221854.A1378@cae.wisc.edu> Message-ID: <20021008224111.52fc4396.creining@packetfu.org> I haven't touched java in well over a year either but here goes. Java does have associate arrays (see the Map interface in java.util) but there's no array syntax for it. You have to use get/put methods and type casts. But it's the same concept. If you're always going to have three indices, it'd be more convenient to have a class that combines the parameters into a tuple, and use that as the map key. Bye On Tue, 8 Oct 2002 22:18:55 -0500 "Dale W. Carder" wrote: > After not touching java in about a year I have to ask a stupid > question: > > Does java have associative arrays and how do they work? > > I want to access an array like foo[B][A][R] =0, > where b,a,r are variables of type char. > > Otherwise i guess I will need to write a subroutine (or function, or > method, whatever) That would do foo(char a, char b, char c), and it > would have to map that into a regular indexed array. > > Dale > > _______________________________________________ > Madlug mailing list - Madlug at madisonlinux.org > http://www.madisonlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/madlug > From willb at cs.wisc.edu Wed Oct 9 08:05:04 2002 From: willb at cs.wisc.edu (Will Benton) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 08:05:04 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] java question In-Reply-To: <20021008224111.52fc4396.creining@packetfu.org> Message-ID: Yeah, basically what you want is a hashtable or a map. The array syntax is overrated. :-) best, wb On Tuesday, October 8, 2002, at 10:41 PM, Chris Reining wrote: > I haven't touched java in well over a year either but here goes. Java > does have associate arrays (see the Map interface in java.util) but > there's no array syntax for it. You have to use get/put methods and > type > casts. But it's the same concept. > > If you're always going to have three indices, it'd be more convenient > to > have a class that combines the parameters into a tuple, and use that as > the map key. > > Bye > > On Tue, 8 Oct 2002 22:18:55 -0500 > "Dale W. Carder" wrote: > >> After not touching java in about a year I have to ask a stupid >> question: >> >> Does java have associative arrays and how do they work? >> >> I want to access an array like foo[B][A][R] =0, >> where b,a,r are variables of type char. >> >> Otherwise i guess I will need to write a subroutine (or function, or >> method, whatever) That would do foo(char a, char b, char c), and it >> would have to map that into a regular indexed array. >> >> Dale >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Madlug mailing list - Madlug at madisonlinux.org >> http://www.madisonlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/madlug >> > > _______________________________________________ > Madlug mailing list - Madlug at madisonlinux.org > http://www.madisonlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/madlug From will at upl.cs.wisc.edu Wed Oct 9 08:46:04 2002 From: will at upl.cs.wisc.edu (Will McDonald) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 08:46:04 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] Error message In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20021009134604.GB20980@cs.wisc.edu> On Tue, Oct 08, 2002 at 09:40:34PM -0400, wa4chq at qsl.net wrote: > Hello OM: compupic > compupic: abnormal termination: segmentation fault Never used the program, but you'll see more seg faults in time (though hopefully not many). A Seg fault is an error in which the program tries to access memory that is not allocated for it. Luckily the OS deals with this instead of letting the program trash the whole system, but the result is crashed (and poorly written) program. You will also hear about a program "dumping core" or producing a "core dump", which, if you have it enabled, will produce a file named 'core' that contains the memory state of the program when it terminated. This can be useful for debugging, especially during development. -will -- ---------Will McDonald-----------------will at upl.cs.wisc.edu---------- GPG encrypted mail preferred. Join the web-o-trust! Key ID: F4332B28 From don_schultz at panvera.com Wed Oct 9 14:31:23 2002 From: don_schultz at panvera.com (Don Schultz) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 14:31:23 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] Htaccess files Message-ID: <72CF2973A7532D478D85271D40F608FC2437E0@mercury.panvera.com> Every time I try to create a .htpasswd file I get this: ./htpasswd: -c and -n options conflict This is the command I'm giving: ./htpasswd -c /some/directory/.htpasswd-users Any suggestions? -don schultz- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.madisonlinux.org/pipermail/madlug/attachments/20021009/f36490f5/attachment.htm From scayford at tds.net Wed Oct 9 15:46:29 2002 From: scayford at tds.net (scayford at tds.net) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 15:46:29 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] Htaccess files In-Reply-To: <72CF2973A7532D478D85271D40F608FC2437E0@mercury.panvera.com> Message-ID: <2FEE80CF-DBC8-11D6-8846-003065ECC2BC@tds.net> Got a weird environment alias that's putting in a -n? Something strange about the htpasswd in the local directory? Just two random (not very likely) guesses. -SteveC On Wednesday, October 9, 2002, at 02:31 PM, Don Schultz wrote: > Every time I try to create a .htpasswd file I get this: > > ./htpasswd: -c and -n options conflict > > This is the command I'm giving: > > ./htpasswd -c /some/directory/.htpasswd-users > > Any suggestions? > > -don schultz- > From spiritlover666 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 10 14:07:55 2002 From: spiritlover666 at yahoo.com (Staci) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 12:07:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Madlug] That Win2000 CD Message-ID: <20021010190755.30032.qmail@web12802.mail.yahoo.com> Hey, whoever made that for me, there's no valid setup executables. How on earth do I use it then?? Please respond by personal email. Confused, staci ===== ***************************************** In cyberspace nobody can hear you scream. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH! __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From eahagglun at yahoo.com Thu Oct 10 22:17:00 2002 From: eahagglun at yahoo.com (Eric Hagglund) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 20:17:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Madlug] Having problem with Alpha Message-ID: <20021011031700.28785.qmail@web40207.mail.yahoo.com> I'm having problems getting linux onto a recently purchased a 500 MHz Alpha after attempting to put a new linux image onto it. As things currently stand I have no operating system on it and can get the BIOS to load, but any attempt to proceed beyond the AlhpaBios setup menu fails. I have flashed it with the BIOS updates that I was given, but cannot get it to go any further from there. I have tried reading the HOWTOs for installing Linux on Alpha machines but am being frustrated by the fact that the instructions for booting from a CDROM seem only to be written for those situations where users are using the ARC mode of the BIOS which is UNIX based. I have been unable to get it to load in this mode and cannot get the AlphaBios to do anything but run the update program and this is only working from TFTP (the floppy fails and even though the CDROM is recognized when the system initially loads, it does not show up as an option when selecting the operating system). Does anyone in this group have experience with this type of hardware who might be able to help me get to the next step? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From will at upl.cs.wisc.edu Fri Oct 11 08:43:05 2002 From: will at upl.cs.wisc.edu (Will McDonald) Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 08:43:05 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] Having problem with Alpha In-Reply-To: <20021011031700.28785.qmail@web40207.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20021011031700.28785.qmail@web40207.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20021011134305.GA28484@cs.wisc.edu> AlphaBIOS is a *serious* pain in the ass. I had an alpha a while ago that had a slightly non-standard BIOS (fewer google hits than other bios #s), and after trying for weeks to flash it to a point that non-WinNT would load, I realized that it just wasn't going to happen. Sorry. -w On Thu, Oct 10, 2002 at 08:17:00PM -0700, Eric Hagglund wrote: > I'm having problems getting linux onto a recently > purchased a 500 MHz Alpha after attempting to put a > new linux image onto it. As things currently stand I > have no operating system on it and can get the BIOS to > load, but any attempt to proceed beyond the AlhpaBios > setup menu fails. I have flashed it with the BIOS > updates that I was given, but cannot get it to go any > further from there. I have tried reading the HOWTOs > for installing Linux on Alpha machines but am being > frustrated by the fact that the instructions for > booting from a CDROM seem only to be written for those > situations where users are using the ARC mode of the > BIOS which is UNIX based. I have been unable to get it > to load in this mode and cannot get the AlphaBios to > do anything but run the update program and this is > only working from TFTP (the floppy fails and even > though the CDROM is recognized when the system > initially loads, it does not show up as an option when > selecting the operating system). Does anyone in this > group have experience with this type of hardware who > might be able to help me get to the next step? > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More > http://faith.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > Madlug mailing list - Madlug at madisonlinux.org > http://www.madisonlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/madlug -- ---------Will McDonald-----------------will at upl.cs.wisc.edu---------- GPG encrypted mail preferred. Join the web-o-trust! Key ID: F4332B28 From kanouse at merr.com Fri Oct 11 10:38:16 2002 From: kanouse at merr.com (Dennis) Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 10:38:16 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] Types of memory Message-ID: <15344128923225@merr.com> Can I use PC133 memory for a mother board that uses DDR 2100 memory, until I get the newer memory type? -Dennis From will at upl.cs.wisc.edu Fri Oct 11 10:37:46 2002 From: will at upl.cs.wisc.edu (Will McDonald) Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 10:37:46 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] Types of memory In-Reply-To: <15344128923225@merr.com> References: <15344128923225@merr.com> Message-ID: <20021011153746.GA28682@cs.wisc.edu> No, they're physically incompatible. If you look at them (or the slots), they have a different number of pins and different notchings. Unless your motherboard, like mine, has both DDR slots and SDRAM slots. It can use either-but-not-both kinds. -w On Fri, Oct 11, 2002 at 10:38:16AM -0500, Dennis wrote: > Can I use PC133 memory for a mother board that uses DDR 2100 memory, until I > get the newer memory type? -- ---------Will McDonald-----------------will at upl.cs.wisc.edu---------- GPG encrypted mail preferred. Join the web-o-trust! Key ID: F4332B28 From ds3 at tds.net Fri Oct 11 11:11:51 2002 From: ds3 at tds.net (Ernest Stracener) Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 11:11:51 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] release announcement: KPSK (for ham radio) Message-ID: <200210111611.g9BGBprL027413@im2.sec.tds.net> For any amateur radio operators that may be on the MADLUG list, following is a release announcement of a project that I have been involved with for the past several months. 73- Ernie, kg9ni http://sf.net/projects/kpsk http://1409.org/projects/kpsk After about a month of testing KPSK v1.0rc1, v1.0 final has been released. Source archives are available at the addresses above. KPSK is a psk31 application for the KDE desktop. Features include: -Simple, feature-filled user interface -DCD "S-meter" for signal quality determination -Grayscale waterfall option for finding/working weak signals -Simultaneous monitoring of up to four PSK31 signals -User-configurable waterfall colors, fonts, window backgrounds. -Auto-scaling waterfall -Optimization to provide IMD data only when the measurement is valid -Twelve user-defined fixedtexts (TX macros), available by mouse or F1-F12 keys -Integral BerkeleyDB-based QSO logbook -BPSK or QPSK operation -Automatic and manual modes for calling CQ -Ability to send an ASCII text file -Extensive application documentation KPSK was developed by Luc Langehegermann (LX2GT), David Kjellquist(WB5NHL), and Ernest Stracener (KG9NI) with contributions from many others along the way. From pali at charter.net Sat Oct 12 16:59:24 2002 From: pali at charter.net (pali) Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 16:59:24 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] memory In-Reply-To: <20021012113002.16426.84532.Mailman@franz.stat.wisc.edu> Message-ID: <000001c2723a$a0482ef0$e65ebc42@mdsn1.wi.home.com> this kind of depends on the motherboard. The ECS K7S5A has slots for SDR and DDR memory, but you can't have both at the same time. Last night at the Lan Party I had this motherboard running redhat 8.0 and with Tom's and Vince's help we got it running UT2003 on board sound and lan. I use (2) sticks of DDR memory. but I could use SDR instead. This is an AMD platform, and it is the only one that I know of that can use either type of memory. This is a cheap motherboard and with an amd XP1600 it is great bang for the buck. newegg.com has a special with the K7S5A and the XP1600 is free shipping. Message: 2 From: Dennis To: madlug at madisonlinux.org Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 10:38:16 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] Types of memory Can I use PC133 memory for a mother board that uses DDR 2100 memory, unti= l I=20 get the newer memory type? -Dennis From sephtin at techgodz.com Sun Oct 13 03:20:35 2002 From: sephtin at techgodz.com (John) Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 03:20:35 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] memory References: <000001c2723a$a0482ef0$e65ebc42@mdsn1.wi.home.com> Message-ID: <000801c27291$67994ec0$6401a8c0@john> To answer the orig. question. Most likely no. If the board has slots for DDR, you need DDR. Pricewatch.com has best prices (usually) for DDR memory. Normally I don't plug businesses unless they really deserve it... But I just bought one of the K7S5A's from CPUSolutions.com (here in Madison area). Got an Enlight case w/ 300w PS, ECS K7S5A board, HS/Fan, and Athlon XP 1800 for something like 230$ Best part... is I called them around 10, and picked it up in Middleton at around 11. ;) By 1 or 2, I had RedHat 8 running. Makes a great NeverWinter Nights server! If you are into RPG, and haven't played.. check it out! (www.neverwinternights.com) As a heads up, this board got great reviews from a Tomshardware.com article. Don't expect to get much in the way of overclocking however. :( John ----- Original Message ----- From: "pali" To: Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2002 4:59 PM Subject: [Madlug] memory > this kind of depends on the motherboard. > The ECS K7S5A has slots for SDR and DDR memory, but you can't have both at the > same time. > > Last night at the Lan Party I had this motherboard running redhat 8.0 > and with Tom's and Vince's help we got it running UT2003 on board sound and > lan. > I use (2) sticks of DDR memory. but I could use SDR instead. > This is an AMD platform, and it is the only one that I know of that can > use either type of memory. > This is a cheap motherboard and with an amd XP1600 it is great bang for the > buck. > newegg.com has a special with the K7S5A and the XP1600 is free shipping. > > > > > Message: 2 > From: Dennis > To: madlug at madisonlinux.org > Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 10:38:16 -0500 > Subject: [Madlug] Types of memory > > Can I use PC133 memory for a mother board that uses DDR 2100 memory, unti= > l I=20 > get the newer memory type? > > -Dennis > > > _______________________________________________ > Madlug mailing list - Madlug at madisonlinux.org > http://www.madisonlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/madlug > From will at upl.cs.wisc.edu Mon Oct 14 09:22:20 2002 From: will at upl.cs.wisc.edu (Will McDonald) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 09:22:20 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] memory In-Reply-To: <000801c27291$67994ec0$6401a8c0@john> References: <000001c2723a$a0482ef0$e65ebc42@mdsn1.wi.home.com> <000801c27291$67994ec0$6401a8c0@john> Message-ID: <20021014142220.GA12878@cs.wisc.edu> On Sun, Oct 13, 2002 at 03:20:35AM -0500, John wrote: > But I just bought one of the K7S5A's from CPUSolutions.com (here in Madison > As a heads up, this board got great reviews from a Tomshardware.com article. > Don't expect to get much in the way of overclocking however. :( I also just got a K7S5A (seems amazingly popular now) and a 1600+, and they both seem to be a fantastic value -- both ~$50 from newegg.com (FANTASTIC company!). From what I've read the 1600+ is the best overclocker since the Celeron 300a (which I'm also running :) -- people have been known to easily get it from 1.4GHz to 1.7 (~1900+) or 1.9GHz (2100+). Not bad for $50. Unfortunately the motherboard is not (by default) very OC-friendly. The BIOS only lets you change the memory speed (100/133) and bus speed (100/133). *Fortunately*, you can flash to a BIOS that does let you OC in small steps, if you're willing to flash your MB with a modified BIOS. See http://www.lejabeach.com/ECS/ez.html. For all you K7S5A people: I was going to ask about which sound driver you used, but after a slighly better google search than before I just discovered that it's either i810_audio (AC'97) or compiled ALSA drivers (snd-card-intel8x0). -w -- ---------Will McDonald-----------------will at upl.cs.wisc.edu---------- GPG encrypted mail preferred. Join the web-o-trust! Key ID: F4332B28 From spiritlover666 at yahoo.com Mon Oct 14 14:10:43 2002 From: spiritlover666 at yahoo.com (Staci) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 12:10:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Madlug] memory In-Reply-To: <000801c27291$67994ec0$6401a8c0@john> Message-ID: <20021014191043.9556.qmail@web12802.mail.yahoo.com> Actually, CPUSolutions is where I got my PC too. Quick, cheap, quality, and nice guys. I'd actually picked them out on the web as having the best price and ordered my computer, before realizing they were local. Heehee. ;) And not the kinda support people who say "oh, you use linux, sorry, not allowed to help you!" like some other places who shall remain nameless (*coughChartercough*). NWN is really great. Wish i didn't have to boot into windoze to run it tho. :/ Has anyone tried NWN or UT2003Demo thru Wine(x)? I haven't yet, hope to in the future. :) staci --- John wrote: > To answer the orig. question. Most likely no. If the board has slots for > DDR, you need DDR. > Pricewatch.com has best prices (usually) for DDR memory. > > > Normally I don't plug businesses unless they really deserve it... > But I just bought one of the K7S5A's from CPUSolutions.com (here in Madison > area). > Got an Enlight case w/ 300w PS, ECS K7S5A board, HS/Fan, and Athlon XP 1800 > for something like 230$ > Best part... is I called them around 10, and picked it up in Middleton at > around 11. ;) > > By 1 or 2, I had RedHat 8 running. Makes a great NeverWinter Nights server! > If you are into RPG, and haven't played.. check it out! > (www.neverwinternights.com) > > As a heads up, this board got great reviews from a Tomshardware.com article. > Don't expect to get much in the way of overclocking however. :( > > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "pali" > To: > Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2002 4:59 PM > Subject: [Madlug] memory > > > > this kind of depends on the motherboard. > > The ECS K7S5A has slots for SDR and DDR memory, but you can't have both at > the > > same time. > > > > Last night at the Lan Party I had this motherboard running redhat 8.0 > > and with Tom's and Vince's help we got it running UT2003 on board sound > and > > lan. > > I use (2) sticks of DDR memory. but I could use SDR instead. > > This is an AMD platform, and it is the only one that I know of that can > > use either type of memory. > > This is a cheap motherboard and with an amd XP1600 it is great bang for > the > > buck. > > newegg.com has a special with the K7S5A and the XP1600 is free shipping. > > > > > > > > > > Message: 2 > > From: Dennis > > To: madlug at madisonlinux.org > > Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 10:38:16 -0500 > > Subject: [Madlug] Types of memory > > > > Can I use PC133 memory for a mother board that uses DDR 2100 memory, unti= > > l I=20 > > get the newer memory type? > > > > -Dennis > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Madlug mailing list - Madlug at madisonlinux.org > > http://www.madisonlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/madlug > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Madlug mailing list - Madlug at madisonlinux.org > http://www.madisonlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/madlug ===== ***************************************** In cyberspace nobody can hear you scream. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH! __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From mtinberg at securepipe.com Mon Oct 14 14:49:07 2002 From: mtinberg at securepipe.com (Mark Tinberg) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 14:49:07 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Madlug] memory In-Reply-To: <20021014191043.9556.qmail@web12802.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 14 Oct 2002, Staci wrote: > NWN is really great. Wish i didn't have to boot into windoze to run it tho. :/ > Has anyone tried NWN or UT2003Demo thru Wine(x)? I haven't yet, hope to in the > future. :) Just FYI, UT2003 is a native Linux game, no WINE required. It works great but be advised that only the nVidia drivers support enough OpenGL+extensions to actually run the game. -- Mark Tinberg Network Security Engineer, SecurePipe Inc. Remember: Wherever you go, there you are! Key fingerprint = AF6B 0294 EE33 D802 F7A1 38A4 CF52 5FE0 7470 E5F7 Your daily fortune . . . The only thing we learn from history is that we do not learn. -- Earl Warren That men do not learn very much from history is the most important of all the lessons that history has to teach. -- Aldous Huxley We learn from history that we do not learn from history. -- Georg Hegel HISTORY: Papa Hegel he say that all we learn from history is that we learn nothing from history. I know people who can't even learn from what happened this morning. Hegel must have been taking the long view. -- Chad C. Mulligan, "The Hipcrime Vocab" From zoltan47 at yahoo.com Mon Oct 14 14:51:31 2002 From: zoltan47 at yahoo.com (Steve Krause) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 12:51:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Madlug] **Meeting Reminder** Message-ID: <20021014195131.12276.qmail@web11106.mail.yahoo.com> Hello all, Just a reminder that we have a coffee/technochat meeting at Steep & Brew on State Street (7pm) this coming Friday (the 18th). Last time I brought a few copies of RedHat 8.0 for whomever wanted them -- if there is interest, I can burn and bring some more. --Steve Krause __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From scayford at tds.net Mon Oct 14 15:12:14 2002 From: scayford at tds.net (scayford at tds.net) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 15:12:14 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] **Meeting Reminder** In-Reply-To: <20021014195131.12276.qmail@web11106.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3AFCFB4F-DFB1-11D6-B785-003065ECC2BC@tds.net> I'd go for a set if you're offering. -SteveC On Monday, October 14, 2002, at 02:51 PM, Steve Krause wrote: > Last time I brought a few copies of RedHat 8.0 for > whomever wanted them -- if there is interest, I can > burn and bring some more. From wmstyles at charter.net Mon Oct 14 21:21:13 2002 From: wmstyles at charter.net (Bill Styles) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 21:21:13 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] help Message-ID: <001c01c273f1$88cbded0$b547a842@server> I am at the Login screen of Console Mode how do I get to the Login screen of Graphical Mode? My green thumbs did it. 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Brown --- Wonderfrog Enterprises --- martin at wonderfrog.net From wmstyles at charter.net Mon Oct 14 22:24:10 2002 From: wmstyles at charter.net (Bill Styles) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 22:24:10 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] help Message-ID: <000e01c273fa$53bfeb60$b547a842@server> Thanks Staci and Martin you got me out my delima, Bill -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.madisonlinux.org/pipermail/madlug/attachments/20021014/d40ab890/attachment.htm From mrrehbein at myrealbox.com Tue Oct 15 10:45:18 2002 From: mrrehbein at myrealbox.com (Michael Rehbein) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 10:45:18 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] ssh publickey authentication Message-ID: i have a few linux machines, and i was trying to setup my laptop to connect to the desktops and use the laptop as a x-terminal via ssh. anyways, it all works fine as it is, but i'm using password auth on the ssh, and was looking to go to using publickey auth so i can use ssh-agent to cut down the number of times i need to type in a password it is working fine with ssh kids at thedeskmachine, but not michael at thedeskmachine. michael is the account i use on the desk machine and kids is just an account setup for the little ones to play games on. i setp michael at thedeskmachine and mike at thelaptop to beable to ssh into the kids account, and the both can just fine. i cant get mike at thelaptop to login to michael at thedeskmachine with publickey auth, but password auth still works it shouldn't be a setting for sshd, otherwise both kids & michael would not work. it shouldn't be anything in mike at thelaptop/.ssh since it is working on kids & 2 other machines (a couple of servers at work) just not michael i've copied the files in ~/.ssh from kids to michael and chown & chmod to make sure those are setup identicly nothing in 'ssh -vvv michael at thedeskmachine' output jumps out at me and its not notably different then 'ssh -vvv kids at thedeskmachine' up to the point about the publickey working **note the names have been changed to protect the easily hackable From will at upl.cs.wisc.edu Tue Oct 15 10:53:03 2002 From: will at upl.cs.wisc.edu (Will McDonald) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 10:53:03 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] ssh publickey authentication In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20021015155303.GB1266@cs.wisc.edu> On Tue, Oct 15, 2002 at 10:45:18AM -0500, Michael Rehbein wrote: > i've copied the files in ~/.ssh from kids to michael and chown & chmod to > make sure those are setup identicly Did you append michael at laptop:.ssh/identity.pub to michael at desktop:.ssh/authorized_keys? (or id_dsa.pub to authorized_keys2, respectively). Your desktop need to know that michael at laptop is authorized to login to michael at desktop. -- ---------Will McDonald-----------------will at upl.cs.wisc.edu---------- GPG encrypted mail preferred. Join the web-o-trust! Key ID: F4332B28 From mrrehbein at myrealbox.com Tue Oct 15 11:46:53 2002 From: mrrehbein at myrealbox.com (Michael Rehbein) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 11:46:53 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] Re: ssh publickey authentication Message-ID: > i've copied the files in ~/.ssh from kids to michael and chown & chmod to > make sure those are setup identicly i did copy mike at laptop:.ssh/identity.pub to kids at desk & michael at desk:.ssh/authorized_keys, which is why the laptop can get to the kids account, but it doesn't help much as far as getting to he michael at desk account. michael at desk:$ cat .ssh/authorized_keys shows 2 keys, one for the michael at desk and one for mike at laptop just to make sure, i did copy id.pub from the laptop and replaced authorized_keys with id.pub, so only mike at laptop was in there as you suggested i had originally made an auth_key file that i had both mike at desk & mike at laptop so i could easly copy it to all 4 machines i wanted it on, 2 servers at work, the desk and the laptop it is working in the different combos mike at desk -> root at server1&2 mike at lap -> root at server1&2 mike at lap -> kids at desk mike at desk -> kids at desk but not mike at desk -> mike at lap mike at lap -> mike at desk using the same authorized_keys file on the different accounts and kids at desk has no .ssh/identity so it can't ssh into the different machies, but this is how it should be. mike at desk & mike at laptop do still have their .ssh/identity files (just double checked now) **sorry, i had the list subscription in digest mode so i'm replying based on what i saw in the archives From wa4chq at qsl.net Tue Oct 15 13:13:31 2002 From: wa4chq at qsl.net (wa4chq at qsl.net) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 14:13:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Madlug] mandrake 9.0 questions (fwd) Message-ID: Greetings- I received a copy of Mandrake 9.0 from one of the fellows in the group. I have been having fun with it and there is a lot to be said about how easy it is to get going. However I do have a few problems that I can't resolve and wondered if someone on the list could help. The problems are with 'lilo', the GUI login, Pine and finally, window size. I will try to explain it as best I can. First off let me say that I originally had RH 7.2 as default on /hda3; Dos on /hda1 and Debian on /hdd1. --lilo--when I installed Mandrake the plan was to boot it from a floppy instead messing with lilo. During the installation, I missed the part about making a boot floppy, so now I can't boot RH. I tried editing /etc/lilo.conf but after saving, forgot to issue the ./lilo command. I don't know if this messed things up worse, because now if I try to boot rh, all goes fine until it looks for the keyboard, mouse etc, etc...I get the Kudzo screen and am not sure what to do. As it is, I can still mount /hda3 and access my Redhat stuff. I would like to be able to have Redhat as the default and not Mandrake. Also, when Mandrake boots up, instead of coming to the GUI login, it just starts right in to Icewm. I don't like this as it is not very secure. How can I change this? ---Pine---I had pine working fine with Redhat, but with Mandrake, I can't send attachments, when I try, I get an error message: : relocation error:
: undefined symbol: statp and I lose control of the command propt. This also happens with spell check. I can't find anything about it in Pine Help. ---window size--- With Redhat, I had the settings for Galeon and the other graphix browsers perfect, but with Mandrake, I don't see where I need to make changes to screen size. I am sure it may be the size of the fonts, but not sure. What happens is when using galeon much of the screen gets lost on the bottom and on one of the sides. Pressing shift/- only works with xterm. any help would be appriciated. not going to check spelling because I will lose this ....again!...tnx Neil T. -- Linux Rules the roost. Ham Radio Rules the waves...http://www.qsl.net/wa4chq From will at upl.cs.wisc.edu Tue Oct 15 13:21:58 2002 From: will at upl.cs.wisc.edu (Will McDonald) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 13:21:58 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] mandrake 9.0 questions (fwd) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20021015182157.GB2101@cs.wisc.edu> On Tue, Oct 15, 2002 at 02:13:31PM -0400, wa4chq at qsl.net wrote: > ---Pine---I had pine working fine with Redhat, but with Mandrake, I can't > send attachments, when I try, I get an error message: > : relocation error:
: undefined > symbol: statp > and I lose control of the command propt. This also happens with spell > check. I can't find anything about it in Pine Help. Use mutt. If you are used to Pine, use mutt. If you think "No, I have a compelling reason, and I definitely want to use Pine," use mutt. Mutt is the goodness and light of text MUAs. There are lots of sites out there to help you get started, and I'm sure a lot of madlug'ers could help, as could I. -- ---------Will McDonald-----------------will at upl.cs.wisc.edu---------- GPG encrypted mail preferred. Join the web-o-trust! Key ID: F4332B28 From rhayden at geek.net Tue Oct 15 13:24:33 2002 From: rhayden at geek.net (Robert A. Hayden) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 13:24:33 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Madlug] Free Junk (just pick it up) Message-ID: I'm cleaning my junkpiles and I have some old hardware that some of you might be able to use. All you have to do is pick it up. Most of this is too old to be of even Ebay value, but a local pickup might be warranted. I have: 1) PC - Dual Pentium I Motherboard with 1x P200mmx CPU and 112mb RAM (no CD, No hard drive, no floppy, AT mini-tower case). Good as a Linux router 2) SCSI2 50-pin Internal CDRom - I think it's 4x - caddyless 3) IDE CD-R - I believe it's 12x4 - caddyless. NOTE- Cannot read/write 700mb discs (I have two of these). It might also work with rewritables. 4) Rackmount 12 (it might be 16) port 10mb hub - 1U size. Equipment is first come first served, no guarantees of anything. You just have to pick it up at my house (in the area of fish hatchery and the beltway) From rhayden at geek.net Tue Oct 15 13:26:30 2002 From: rhayden at geek.net (Robert A. Hayden) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 13:26:30 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Madlug] mandrake 9.0 questions (fwd) In-Reply-To: <20021015182157.GB2101@cs.wisc.edu> Message-ID: is Pine v Mutt the new religious war, replacing vi v emacs? :-) On Tue, 15 Oct 2002, Will McDonald wrote: > On Tue, Oct 15, 2002 at 02:13:31PM -0400, wa4chq at qsl.net wrote: > > ---Pine---I had pine working fine with Redhat, but with Mandrake, I can't > > send attachments, when I try, I get an error message: > > : relocation error:
: undefined > > symbol: statp > > and I lose control of the command propt. This also happens with spell > > check. I can't find anything about it in Pine Help. > > Use mutt. If you are used to Pine, use mutt. If you think "No, I have a > compelling reason, and I definitely want to use Pine," use mutt. Mutt is > the goodness and light of text MUAs. There are lots of sites out there > to help you get started, and I'm sure a lot of madlug'ers could help, as > could I. > > From will at upl.cs.wisc.edu Tue Oct 15 13:28:31 2002 From: will at upl.cs.wisc.edu (Will McDonald) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 13:28:31 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] mandrake 9.0 questions (fwd) In-Reply-To: References: <20021015182157.GB2101@cs.wisc.edu> Message-ID: <20021015182831.GC2101@cs.wisc.edu> Maybe, but hopefully not. vi vs. emacs is still a great war. I just like mutt so much that I feel compelled to evalgelize a little. -w On Tue, Oct 15, 2002 at 01:26:30PM -0500, Robert A. Hayden wrote: > is Pine v Mutt the new religious war, replacing vi v emacs? :-) > On Tue, 15 Oct 2002, Will McDonald wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 15, 2002 at 02:13:31PM -0400, wa4chq at qsl.net wrote: > > > ---Pine---I had pine working fine with Redhat, but with Mandrake, I can't > > > send attachments, when I try, I get an error message: > > > : relocation error:
: undefined > > > symbol: statp > > > and I lose control of the command propt. This also happens with spell > > > check. I can't find anything about it in Pine Help. > > > > Use mutt. If you are used to Pine, use mutt. If you think "No, I have a > > compelling reason, and I definitely want to use Pine," use mutt. Mutt is > > the goodness and light of text MUAs. There are lots of sites out there > > to help you get started, and I'm sure a lot of madlug'ers could help, as > > could I. -- ---------Will McDonald-----------------will at upl.cs.wisc.edu---------- GPG encrypted mail preferred. Join the web-o-trust! Key ID: F4332B28 From spiritlover666 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 15 14:51:42 2002 From: spiritlover666 at yahoo.com (Staci) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 12:51:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Madlug] mandrake 9.0 questions (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20021015195142.69125.qmail@web12806.mail.yahoo.com> Yeah...I've heard tons about people converting to mutt. But nobody seems to care for Pine anymore. All the die-hard alt.os.linux.slackware-folk use mutt for popmail, slrn for news, and I think most use vi or pico for editing...I personally use nano, a free "pico clone" that does more and better stuff than pico ever did. :P It's crazy the way stuff gets BETTER when it's free rather than being something someone threw together in their spare time. like aterm for example. "eterm clone" but better, works better in bb, etc. That sorta proves the open-source concept is working, I guess. :) Any other MP3-collectors who read this might want to check out Cantus, a new gui filename editor that is really slick (I tried it last night). Beats my old CLI "rename" any day. :) And as long as I'm sending off an email, I might as well ask you guys the thing I've been checking on. Do any of the super-cheap domain-registry services include DNS? I can't afford much, I thought I could get the domain for like $10 and host my own, but if I have to pay another $30 for DNS then I can't do it. Any suggested services...? Thanks, staci --- "Robert A. Hayden" wrote: > is Pine v Mutt the new religious war, replacing vi v emacs? :-) > ===== ***************************************** In cyberspace nobody can hear you scream. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH! __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From will at upl.cs.wisc.edu Tue Oct 15 14:56:40 2002 From: will at upl.cs.wisc.edu (Will McDonald) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 14:56:40 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] mandrake 9.0 questions (fwd) In-Reply-To: <20021015195142.69125.qmail@web12806.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20021015195142.69125.qmail@web12806.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20021015195640.GE2101@cs.wisc.edu> On Tue, Oct 15, 2002 at 12:51:42PM -0700, Staci wrote: > I've been checking on. Do any of the super-cheap domain-registry services > include DNS? I can't afford much, I thought I could get the domain for like > $10 and host my own, but if I have to pay another $30 for DNS then I can't do > it. http://www.wiredhub.net. $3-$10/mo for very reasonble limits (50MB disk/1GB transfer - 1GB disk/10GB transfer). (Bonus: I believe they're local). -- ---------Will McDonald-----------------will at upl.cs.wisc.edu---------- GPG encrypted mail preferred. Join the web-o-trust! Key ID: F4332B28 From herzog at uhhh.org Tue Oct 15 14:53:26 2002 From: herzog at uhhh.org (herzog at uhhh.org) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 14:53:26 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Madlug] mandrake 9.0 questions (fwd) In-Reply-To: <20021015195142.69125.qmail@web12806.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: >>On Tue, 15 Oct 2002, Staci wrote: > And as long as I'm sending off an email, I might as well ask you guys the thing > I've been checking on. Do any of the super-cheap domain-registry services > include DNS? I can't afford much, I thought I could get the domain for like > $10 and host my own, but if I have to pay another $30 for DNS then I can't do > it. http://www.zoneedit.com Up to 5 domains free of charge (DNS services). -- Larry Herzog Jr. "Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain ZRXOA #1029 conceit, but in humility consider others herzog at uhhh.org better than yourselves." - Philippians 2:3 From sephtin at techgodz.com Tue Oct 15 15:16:30 2002 From: sephtin at techgodz.com (John) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 15:16:30 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] mandrake 9.0 questions (fwd) References: <20021015195142.69125.qmail@web12806.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004101c27487$bfc12b70$468afea9@corporate.amfam.com> I've heard good things and bad things about registrar's. I won't comment, as I only have experience with netsol, and bulk.com.. which I wouldn't recommend. For DNS, ODS.org rocks. Check it out. They provide free dns for certain domain names ..com domain names. For 20$/year (I'm very dissappointed, it used to be 5...), they will host DNS for your private domain name. Extra bonus.. if you're on a dynamic IP addy, run their DNS client, and it updates ODS.org DNS servers with your new IP when it changes. :) Another option... if you know the right people... ;) you might be able to have them host your DNS for you. (Keep in mind that if you're dynamic, every time your IP changes.. you'll have to bother them to change it...) I'm fairly certian that there are a few (...uhm, hundred) geeks on this list that have DNS running on their machines! John Sidenote: On BSD, I'm a pretty hard-core pico fan.. as that vers. of VI is very antiquated... however the version of VIM that runs on linux (example RH 8.0) has been very friendly to me. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Staci" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [Madlug] mandrake 9.0 questions (fwd) > Yeah...I've heard tons about people converting to mutt. But nobody seems to > care for Pine anymore. All the die-hard alt.os.linux.slackware-folk use mutt > for popmail, slrn for news, and I think most use vi or pico for editing...I > personally use nano, a free "pico clone" that does more and better stuff than > pico ever did. :P It's crazy the way stuff gets BETTER when it's free rather > than being something someone threw together in their spare time. like aterm > for example. "eterm clone" but better, works better in bb, etc. That sorta > proves the open-source concept is working, I guess. :) > > Any other MP3-collectors who read this might want to check out Cantus, a new > gui filename editor that is really slick (I tried it last night). Beats my old > CLI "rename" any day. :) > > And as long as I'm sending off an email, I might as well ask you guys the thing > I've been checking on. Do any of the super-cheap domain-registry services > include DNS? I can't afford much, I thought I could get the domain for like > $10 and host my own, but if I have to pay another $30 for DNS then I can't do > it. > > Any suggested services...? > > Thanks, > staci > > --- "Robert A. Hayden" wrote: > > is Pine v Mutt the new religious war, replacing vi v emacs? :-) > > > > > ===== > ***************************************** > In cyberspace nobody can hear you scream. > AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH! > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More > http://faith.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > Madlug mailing list - Madlug at madisonlinux.org > http://www.madisonlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/madlug > From rhayden at geek.net Tue Oct 15 15:25:07 2002 From: rhayden at geek.net (Robert A. Hayden) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 15:25:07 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Madlug] Free junk Gone Message-ID: I got enough responses to claim all of the free junk and I'll contact the winners shortly. Thanks for the responses. From spiritlover666 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 15 20:33:26 2002 From: spiritlover666 at yahoo.com (Staci) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 18:33:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Madlug] mandrake 9.0 questions (fwd) In-Reply-To: <004101c27487$bfc12b70$468afea9@corporate.amfam.com> Message-ID: <20021016013326.48925.qmail@web12804.mail.yahoo.com> --- John wrote: > Another option... if you know the right people... ;) you might be able to > have them host your DNS for you. (Keep in mind that if you're dynamic, > every time your IP changes.. you'll have to bother them to change it...) > I'm fairly certian that there are a few (...uhm, hundred) geeks on this list > that have DNS running on their machines! Hmmm...anyone wanna speak up? And/or, how hard is it to set up? Is it particularly resource-intensive or anything? > John > Sidenote: On BSD, I'm a pretty hard-core pico fan.. as that vers. of VI is > very antiquated... however the version of VIM that runs on linux (example RH > 8.0) has been very friendly to me. If you decide you don't like the fact that to have Pico it is REQUIRED to have Pine, you should check out Nano, it's got a pico-emulation mode, 3/4 of the time I forget I'm not on Pico. :) staci ===== ***************************************** In cyberspace nobody can hear you scream. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH! __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From sephtin at techgodz.com Wed Oct 16 00:09:21 2002 From: sephtin at techgodz.com (John) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 00:09:21 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] memory References: <000001c2723a$a0482ef0$e65ebc42@mdsn1.wi.home.com> <000801c27291$67994ec0$6401a8c0@john> <20021014142220.GA12878@cs.wisc.edu> <002701c2747f$3e05eec0$468afea9@corporate.amfam.com> <20021015191800.GD2101@cs.wisc.edu> Message-ID: <000e01c274d2$302ee8d0$6401a8c0@john> Ok. I flashed my K7S5A to the Chb0809.rom Downloaded it from here: http://forum.ocworkbench.com/ocwbcgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=27&t=003 724 (way down at the bottom...) Used the aminf335.exe flash utility (very top right option on the page you posted): http://www.lejabeach.com/ECS/ez.html I tried the honeyx ECSoc0626 from the page you posted first.. however it only gave me limited options... (Highest I could go was 137/137... Now that my AthlonXP 1800 is flashed to chb0809 version... I tried oc'ing to 150/150, (bios says it's an XP 2100), but it locked up during boot. I'm currently running at 143/143 (bios says it's an XP 2000), and so far it's been extremely stable. I may even give the 147/147 a shot at some point.. ? Thanks for letting me know it's even possible to oc with this board!!! Very handy to know! :) John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Will McDonald" To: "John" Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 2:18 PM Subject: Re: [Madlug] memory > No, I haven't had a chance yet. If I do, I'll definitely let you know > (and vice-versa would be appreciated). It's good to know that if I hose > my chip there are other people in town with the same board so I could > (hopefully) re-flash. :) > > -will > > On Tue, Oct 15, 2002 at 02:15:36PM -0500, John wrote: > > Have you tried any of them? Which versions? > > Recommendations? > > > > Thanks for the link! I definitely want to give one of these a try!! > > John > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Will McDonald" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 9:22 AM > > Subject: Re: [Madlug] memory > > > > > > > On Sun, Oct 13, 2002 at 03:20:35AM -0500, John wrote: > > > > But I just bought one of the K7S5A's from CPUSolutions.com (here in > > Madison > > > > As a heads up, this board got great reviews from a Tomshardware.com > > article. > > > > Don't expect to get much in the way of overclocking however. :( > > > > > > I also just got a K7S5A (seems amazingly popular now) and a 1600+, and > > > they both seem to be a fantastic value -- both ~$50 from newegg.com > > > (FANTASTIC company!). From what I've read the 1600+ is the best > > > overclocker since the Celeron 300a (which I'm also running :) -- people > > > have been known to easily get it from 1.4GHz to 1.7 (~1900+) or 1.9GHz > > > (2100+). Not bad for $50. > > > > > > Unfortunately the motherboard is not (by default) very OC-friendly. The > > > BIOS only lets you change the memory speed (100/133) and bus speed > > > (100/133). *Fortunately*, you can flash to a BIOS that does let you OC > > > in small steps, if you're willing to flash your MB with a modified BIOS. > > > See http://www.lejabeach.com/ECS/ez.html. > > > > > > For all you K7S5A people: I was going to ask about which sound driver > > > you used, but after a slighly better google search than before I just > > > discovered that it's either i810_audio (AC'97) or compiled ALSA drivers > > > (snd-card-intel8x0). > > > > > > -w > > > > > > -- > > > ---------Will McDonald-----------------will at upl.cs.wisc.edu---------- > > > GPG encrypted mail preferred. Join the web-o-trust! Key ID: F4332B28 > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Madlug mailing list - Madlug at madisonlinux.org > > > http://www.madisonlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/madlug > > > > > -- > ---------Will McDonald-----------------will at upl.cs.wisc.edu---------- > GPG encrypted mail preferred. Join the web-o-trust! Key ID: F4332B28 > > From pali at charter.net Wed Oct 16 07:57:48 2002 From: pali at charter.net (pali) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 07:57:48 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] OC K7S5A In-Reply-To: <20021016112942.4821.23400.Mailman@franz.stat.wisc.edu> Message-ID: <000001c27513$a0e89260$6400a8c0@mdsn1.wi.home.com> you can use a boot disk(dos) and a program called CHFSB to OC the K7S5A this way you can use the standard bios files from ECS and still set the FSB. When you tried 150FSB what kind of memory were you using. I have corsair PC3200 cas 2 and it can do 150 stable. With a stick of OCZ PC2400 it can't do 150 stable. You can also slow down the memory timings in the bios when going for higher FSB speeds. I see better performance with a higher FSB and slow memory timings, rather then Low FSB and fast memory timings. at 150 your PCI and AGP buses will be running over standard speeds. This will improve the burst transfer rate across the PCI bus and video performance. But you do risk data corruption, if something can't take the higher speed. Good luck, you can paint the bridges on the chip to get a higher default voltage, I run XP chips at 1.85 volts all the time. You can also modify the multiplier. good luck Message: 1 From: "John" To: "Will McDonald" Cc: Subject: Re: [Madlug] memory Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 00:09:21 -0500 Ok. I flashed my K7S5A to the Chb0809.rom Downloaded it from here: http://forum.ocworkbench.com/ocwbcgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=27&t=003 724 (way down at the bottom...) Used the aminf335.exe flash utility (very top right option on the page you posted): http://www.lejabeach.com/ECS/ez.html I tried the honeyx ECSoc0626 from the page you posted first.. however it only gave me limited options... (Highest I could go was 137/137... Now that my AthlonXP 1800 is flashed to chb0809 version... I tried oc'ing to 150/150, (bios says it's an XP 2100), but it locked up during boot. I'm currently running at 143/143 (bios says it's an XP 2000), and so far it's been extremely stable. I may even give the 147/147 a shot at some point.. ? Thanks for letting me know it's even possible to oc with this board!!! Very handy to know! :) John From ntan at crosslink.net Tue Oct 15 11:59:46 2002 From: ntan at crosslink.net (ntan at crosslink.net) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 12:59:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Madlug] mandrake 9.0 questions Message-ID: Greetings- I received a copy of Mandrake 9.0 from one of the fellows in the group. I have been having fun with it and there is a lot to be said about how easy it is to get going. However I do have a few problems that I can't resolve and wondered if someone on the list could help. The problems are with 'lilo', the GUI login, Pine and finally, window size. I will try to explain it as best I can. First off let me say that I originally had RH 7.2 as default on /hda3; Dos on /hda1 and Debian on /hdd1. --lilo--when I installed Mandrake the plan was to boot it from a floppy instead messing with lilo. During the installation, I missed the part about making a boot floppy, so now I can't boot RH. I tried editing /etc/lilo.conf but after saving, forgot to issue the ./lilo command. I don't know if this messed things up worse, because now if I try to boot rh, all goes fine until it looks for the keyboard, mouse etc, etc...I get the Kudzo screen and am not sure what to do. As it is, I can still mount /hda3 and access my Redhat stuff. I would like to be able to have Redhat as the default and not Mandrake. Also, when Mandrake boots up, instead of coming to the GUI login, it just starts right in to Icewm. I don't like this as it is not very secure. How can I change this? ---Pine---I had pine working fine with Redhat, but with Mandrake, I can't send attachments, when I try, I get an error message: : relocation error:
: undefined symbol: statp and I lose control of the command propt. This also happens with spell check. I can't find anything about it in Pine Help. ---window size--- With Redhat, I had the settings for Galeon and the other graphix browsers perfect, but with Mandrake, I don't see where I need to make changes to screen size. I am sure it may be the size of the fonts, but not sure. What happens is when using galeon much of the screen gets lost on the bottom and on one of the sides. Pressing shift/- only works with xterm. any help would be appriciated. not going to check spelling because I will lose this ....again!...tnx Neil T. -- Linux Rules the roost. Ham Radio Rules the waves...http://www.qsl.net/wa4chq From hardburn at runbox.com Wed Oct 16 08:37:28 2002 From: hardburn at runbox.com (Timm Murray) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 13:37:28 GMT Subject: [Madlug] mandrake 9.0 questions (fwd) Message-ID: > > --- John wrote: > > Another option... if you know the right people... ;) you might be able to > > have them host your DNS for you. (Keep in mind that if you're dynamic, > > every time your IP changes.. you'll have to bother them to change it...) > > I'm fairly certian that there are a few (...uhm, hundred) geeks on this list > > that have DNS running on their machines! > > Hmmm...anyone wanna speak up? > And/or, how hard is it to set up? > Is it particularly resource-intensive or anything? Not hard. I looked over the Domain HOWTO at linuxdoc.org (or whatever their new name is) and everything just worked. I'm just running a small, private domain behind a dial-up connection on a Pentium 75 (which is overkill for most DNS servers, unless you're running the A root server or something). <> From will at upl.cs.wisc.edu Wed Oct 16 09:07:56 2002 From: will at upl.cs.wisc.edu (Will McDonald) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 09:07:56 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] memory In-Reply-To: <000e01c274d2$302ee8d0$6401a8c0@john> References: <000001c2723a$a0482ef0$e65ebc42@mdsn1.wi.home.com> <000801c27291$67994ec0$6401a8c0@john> <20021014142220.GA12878@cs.wisc.edu> <002701c2747f$3e05eec0$468afea9@corporate.amfam.com> <20021015191800.GD2101@cs.wisc.edu> <000e01c274d2$302ee8d0$6401a8c0@john> Message-ID: <20021016140756.GA6035@cs.wisc.edu> On Wed, Oct 16, 2002 at 12:09:21AM -0500, John wrote: > Now that my AthlonXP 1800 is flashed to chb0809 version... I tried oc'ing > to 150/150, (bios says it's an XP 2100), but it locked up during boot. > I'm currently running at 143/143 (bios says it's an XP 2000), and so far > it's been extremely stable. I may even give the 147/147 a shot at some > point.. ? Did you raise the core voltage? How did your cpu temperature change, and what kind of CPU cooling do you have? I'll probably do this to my K7S5A/1600+ tonight. -- ---------Will McDonald-----------------will at upl.cs.wisc.edu---------- GPG encrypted mail preferred. Join the web-o-trust! Key ID: F4332B28 From sterling at sterlinganderson.net Wed Oct 16 10:22:34 2002 From: sterling at sterlinganderson.net (Sterling Anderson) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 10:22:34 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] Stupid term tricks? Message-ID: <20021016152234.GA1888@sterlinganderson.net> I was wondering if anyone knew how to use a transparent term as a background in a window manager. I've seen it done where you create a term that is the size of you desktop and somehow set it to the background. Anyone know how to do this? ^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^ Sterling Anderson -- sterling at sterlinganderson.net http://sterlinganderson.net Zapp: "Why'd you open your bong-hole, you smelly hippie? You'd sacrifice a beautiful woman to save a moderately attractive monkey? You must have smoked some bad granola." ^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^ From sogo at cs.wisc.edu Wed Oct 16 11:13:33 2002 From: sogo at cs.wisc.edu (Takashi Sogo) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 11:13:33 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Madlug] Stupid term tricks? In-Reply-To: <20021016152234.GA1888@sterlinganderson.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 16 Oct 2002, Sterling Anderson wrote: > I was wondering if anyone knew how to use a transparent term as a > background in a window manager. I use wterm on Linux and rxvt on Solaris to make the background transparent. I prefer wterm, but it didn't compile on Solaris. BTW, my window manager is WindowMaker. -- takashi sogo mailto:sogo at cs.wisc.edu From sephtin at techgodz.com Wed Oct 16 10:17:26 2002 From: sephtin at techgodz.com (John) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 10:17:26 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] memory References: <000001c2723a$a0482ef0$e65ebc42@mdsn1.wi.home.com> <000801c27291$67994ec0$6401a8c0@john> <20021014142220.GA12878@cs.wisc.edu> <002701c2747f$3e05eec0$468afea9@corporate.amfam.com> <20021015191800.GD2101@cs.wisc.edu> <000e01c274d2$302ee8d0$6401a8c0@john> <20021016140756.GA6035@cs.wisc.edu> Message-ID: <001401c27532$958cea50$468afea9@corporate.amfam.com> > Did you raise the core voltage? How did your cpu temperature change, > and what kind of CPU cooling do you have? I'll probably do this to my > K7S5A/1600+ tonight. Neither of the bios versions I tried allowed me to change the core voltage. I'm guessing you need to unlock the processor to do this..... Unlocking the AthlonXP CPU: http://www.overclockers.com/tips693/ This is a little more than I care to do at this point... but at some point, I'll probly give it a try. CPU Temp didn't go up much. (I was surprised). I don't remember the brand of fan. I'm pretty sure it's a cheap-o.. There are two case fans in the case, and it's an enlight case (one in front, one in back). Since I'm not the primary user of the system, I haven't loaded mbm on it to get exact readings. If I do, I'll pass on what I find. Please also let me know how it goes with your 1600! John From sephtin at techgodz.com Wed Oct 16 11:42:40 2002 From: sephtin at techgodz.com (John) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 11:42:40 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] OC K7S5A References: <000001c27513$a0e89260$6400a8c0@mdsn1.wi.home.com> Message-ID: <001b01c27533$0b2940b0$468afea9@corporate.amfam.com> > you can use a boot disk(dos) and a program called CHFSB to OC the K7S5A > this way you can use the standard bios files from ECS and still set the > FSB. Where can I get this?!?! > When you tried 150FSB what kind of memory were you using. One cheap 512mb high-density stick of SD-Ram. > I have corsair PC3200 cas 2 and it can do 150 stable. In my P4 1.6 (runs at 2.4) I have a corsair PC2700... running at 150. > Good luck, you can paint the bridges on the chip to get a higher default > voltage, I run XP chips at 1.85 volts all the time. > You can also modify the multiplier. > good luck The article read that people have been having problems with this. SuperGlue to the rescue. *pondering whether duct tape could be used... it fixes everything else* ;) Just posted the article in other email. It's here: http://www.overclockers.com/tips693/ John From ericansay at earthlink.net Wed Oct 16 13:30:43 2002 From: ericansay at earthlink.net (Eric M. Ansay) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 13:30:43 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] Asus motherboards - P3V4X References: <000001c27513$a0e89260$6400a8c0@mdsn1.wi.home.com> <001b01c27533$0b2940b0$468afea9@corporate.amfam.com> Message-ID: <002c01c27542$25edd4b0$9865fea9@eric> I was wondering if anyone has any experience overclocking this particular board. I'm gonna use this computer as my linux box and I currently have a 800mhz PIII chip in it, and I've been putting some thought into either overclocking it, or replacing the CPU with a faster one. I know I could probably get an AMD chip and motherboard for less or around the same as an Intel chip, but I have 2 gigs of RAM in this box, as well as a RAID 5 controller and I don't really feel like building another system at this moment (my main system is a dual Athlon MP 2200, with RAID 5 and 2 Gigs of RAM and I just built that about a month ago). I've read about the heat concerts with overclocking computers...but I have two case fans, the power supply fan, as well as the CPU fan, so I should be in good shape - and I've never been able to get my CPU above 130 degrees F Thanks, Eric From johnk at ecol.net Wed Oct 16 17:22:04 2002 From: johnk at ecol.net (johnk) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 17:22:04 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] Will the best building kit please stand up? Message-ID: <200210161719452.SM01408@there> Hi: I want to build a desktop for around 1000 bucks and I've been commiserating over buying a kit for quite some time, but I'm basically overwhelmed by the varieties of mobo/chip combos out there. Since I'm a virgin on building a desktop, thought I'd ask for recommendations from the experts. CPU Solutions seems to have some great deals, but I'm wary of where they might place me in 6 months when I'll probably want to upgrade. Do you guys know of some good mobo_chip combos to choose from? The local shop where I'm thinking of going to (yes, sloth is a virtue) goes with Giga-Byte mobos for AMD and Intel. They told me $700 for an Athlon box and over a $1000 for Intel. The chips are 1.8g. I've heard Asus and Abit are the best. Alas, I be but a babe in the woods, though, so my opinions are not the most knowledgeable. And yes, indeed, it is true -- I bought the ScreenSavers video on building your own pc! Mucho thanks! -- John Kelly johnk at ecol.net http://www.ecol.net/~johnk/index.html "Don't shoot the penguin. He can dance." --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From harv at tds.net Wed Oct 16 18:20:45 2002 From: harv at tds.net (Harv Nelson) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 18:20:45 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] Will the best building kit please stand up? Message-ID: <200210162320.g9GNKGfX004510@im1.sec.tds.net> My experience with the folks at CPU Solutions is ALL positive. If you're going to homebrew a computer, these are the guys to deal with in the Madison area. Prices are good and they are free with their advice and experience. AND, when you say "LINUX", no one gives you any crap. Don't be affraid to tell them what you're doing and your level of experience. Then, listen to them. They'll put it all together for you, or give you a box of parts and let you do it yourself. If you are a first time builder, let them install the CPU and set up the mother board for you. After that, you can plug in the memory, various boards, drives, etc., that you have selected and screw/bolt the rest of the box together. Regardless where you buy your machine, you'll want to upgrade in six months ... but, you won't really NEED that upgrade for about 2 years ... so, you'll have plenty of time to save up the money :-) I am not employed by CPU Solutions, just a recommendation from very good past experience with these guys. GL Harv > > From: johnk > Date: 2002/10/16 Wed PM 05:22:04 CDT > To: madlug at madisonlinux.org > Subject: [Madlug] Will the best building kit please stand up? > > Hi: > I want to build a desktop for around 1000 bucks and I've been commiserating > over buying a kit for quite some time, but I'm basically overwhelmed by the > varieties of mobo/chip combos out there. Since I'm a virgin on building a > desktop, thought I'd ask for recommendations from the experts. CPU Solutions > seems to have some great deals, but I'm wary of where they might place me in > 6 months when I'll probably want to upgrade. > > Do you guys know of some good mobo_chip combos to choose from? The local shop > where I'm thinking of going to (yes, sloth is a virtue) goes with Giga-Byte > mobos for AMD and Intel. They told me $700 for an Athlon box and over a $1000 > for Intel. The chips are 1.8g. I've heard Asus and Abit are the best. Alas, I > be but a babe in the woods, though, so my opinions are not the most > knowledgeable. And yes, indeed, it is true -- I bought the ScreenSavers video > on building your own pc! > > Mucho thanks! > > -- > John Kelly > johnk at ecol.net > http://www.ecol.net/~johnk/index.html > "Don't shoot the penguin. He can dance." > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > > _______________________________________________ > Madlug mailing list - Madlug at madisonlinux.org > http://www.madisonlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/madlug > From sephtin at techgodz.com Wed Oct 16 18:52:26 2002 From: sephtin at techgodz.com (John) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 18:52:26 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] Will the best building kit please stand up? References: <200210162320.g9GNKGfX004510@im1.sec.tds.net> Message-ID: <001201c2756f$14d68d20$6401a8c0@john> I'll second the positive experience with CPUSolutions. Another spot that I like to buy my overclocking stuff from is www.outsideloop.com. They keep the same pricing for a while sometimes.. so wait till they update their site. When they do, their prices are quite reasonable (considering what you get). Example: Find somewhere else you can buy an overclocking combo that's guaranteed to run at 2.9 to 3.0 ghz... (it's a P4 2.53ghz oc'd to 3): http://www.outsideloop.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=olco mp&Product_Code=CMB-P4OC2&Category_Code=int-cmb I purchased my P4 1.6ghz oc'd to 2.4 from there. I have purchased several barebone kits from there as well. (Complete systems there are pricey...). Pricewatch.com is also your friend for misc. parts. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harv Nelson" To: ; Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 6:20 PM Subject: Re: [Madlug] Will the best building kit please stand up? > My experience with the folks at CPU Solutions is ALL positive. > > If you're going to homebrew a computer, these are the guys to deal with in the Madison area. Prices are good and they are free with their advice and experience. AND, when you say "LINUX", no one gives you any crap. Don't be affraid to tell them what you're doing and your level of experience. Then, listen to them. > > They'll put it all together for you, or give you a box of parts and let you do it yourself. > > If you are a first time builder, let them install the CPU and set up the mother board for you. After that, you can plug in the memory, various boards, drives, etc., that you have selected and screw/bolt the rest of the box together. > > Regardless where you buy your machine, you'll want to upgrade in six months ... but, you won't really NEED that upgrade for about 2 years ... so, you'll have plenty of time to save up the money :-) > > I am not employed by CPU Solutions, just a recommendation from very good past experience with these guys. > > GL > Harv > > > > From: johnk > > Date: 2002/10/16 Wed PM 05:22:04 CDT > > To: madlug at madisonlinux.org > > Subject: [Madlug] Will the best building kit please stand up? > > > > Hi: > > I want to build a desktop for around 1000 bucks and I've been commiserating > > over buying a kit for quite some time, but I'm basically overwhelmed by the > > varieties of mobo/chip combos out there. Since I'm a virgin on building a > > desktop, thought I'd ask for recommendations from the experts. CPU Solutions > > seems to have some great deals, but I'm wary of where they might place me in > > 6 months when I'll probably want to upgrade. > > > > Do you guys know of some good mobo_chip combos to choose from? The local shop > > where I'm thinking of going to (yes, sloth is a virtue) goes with Giga-Byte > > mobos for AMD and Intel. They told me $700 for an Athlon box and over a $1000 > > for Intel. The chips are 1.8g. I've heard Asus and Abit are the best. Alas, I > > be but a babe in the woods, though, so my opinions are not the most > > knowledgeable. And yes, indeed, it is true -- I bought the ScreenSavers video > > on building your own pc! > > > > Mucho thanks! > > > > -- > > John Kelly > > johnk at ecol.net > > http://www.ecol.net/~johnk/index.html > > "Don't shoot the penguin. He can dance." > > --- > > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Madlug mailing list - Madlug at madisonlinux.org > > http://www.madisonlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/madlug > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Madlug mailing list - Madlug at madisonlinux.org > http://www.madisonlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/madlug > From will at upl.cs.wisc.edu Wed Oct 16 20:49:32 2002 From: will at upl.cs.wisc.edu (Will McDonald) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 20:49:32 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] Will the best building kit please stand up? In-Reply-To: <001201c2756f$14d68d20$6401a8c0@john> References: <200210162320.g9GNKGfX004510@im1.sec.tds.net> <001201c2756f$14d68d20$6401a8c0@john> Message-ID: <20021017014931.GB9113@cs.wisc.edu> On Wed, Oct 16, 2002 at 06:52:26PM -0500, John wrote: > Pricewatch.com is also your friend for misc. parts. Just make sure to check resellerratings.com - my shopping experiences have been much better since I found them! On that note newegg.com is about the best internet reseller I've found. Good prices and great service. -w -- ---------Will McDonald-----------------will at upl.cs.wisc.edu---------- GPG encrypted mail preferred. Join the web-o-trust! Key ID: F4332B28 From rhayden at geek.net Wed Oct 16 21:07:30 2002 From: rhayden at geek.net (Robert A. Hayden) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 21:07:30 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Madlug] Will the best building kit please stand up? In-Reply-To: <20021017014931.GB9113@cs.wisc.edu> Message-ID: newegg.com, gogocity.com and buy.com are pretty much where I get 95% of my computer parts. On Wed, 16 Oct 2002, Will McDonald wrote: > On Wed, Oct 16, 2002 at 06:52:26PM -0500, John wrote: > > Pricewatch.com is also your friend for misc. parts. > > Just make sure to check resellerratings.com - my shopping experiences > have been much better since I found them! > > On that note newegg.com is about the best internet reseller I've found. > Good prices and great service. > > -w > > From ericansay at earthlink.net Thu Oct 17 00:36:20 2002 From: ericansay at earthlink.net (Eric M. Ansay) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 00:36:20 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] System building References: Message-ID: <016e01c2759f$227b21e0$9865fea9@eric> I buy most of my stuff from www.mcglen.com Their prices are pretty good, and their customer service is excellent. I also like the fact that they burn in my cpu/motherboard combinations for me so I don't have to deal wth dead CPU/motherboards. I buy a motherboard/cpu/memory combo from them about every 3-4 months. I usually don't think of overclocking a system unless it's a system that I just play with - right now I only have one out of twelve computers for that.....and that's my only single CPU box, every other box I need in my rendering farm, and hopefully I'll be able to switch them all over to some flavor of Linux. Eric ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daugird" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 2:00 AM Subject: [Madlug] System building > > there is a lot to think about. > First, I do not think cpusolutions is that great of a deal. > I think their hard drive and memory prices are way out of line. > There video card selection and pricing is not great either. > Sometimes their motherboards and case prices are OK. > I get most of my cases from there because online shipping charges > on cases are rather high. > > What do you want out of your new machine? > high end video cards are a real wallet breaker. If you are not into > video games like UT2003 demo and such then video cards are a place > to save some cash. > > I just built an AMD xp1600, Epox 8K3A+, LiteOn 40X burner, cheap DVD > Geforce3 TI 200, and 256 meg corsair PC3200 Cas 2 machine. > Thermal Take Volcano 7+ heat sink. > I got the AMD system because I unlock the XP chips so I have control > of the multiplier. I am running a 168FSB and have dropped the multiplier > from 10.5 to 10. > > if you want to build a system that just runs at stock speeds and you want > no trouble I would look into a P4 based system using an Intel chipset. > AMD's problem is there chipset support kind of sucks. > for a first timer, an Asus or Abit motherboard with an 845(DDR memory) or > an 850(rambus memory) chipset is the way to go. > > VIA chipsets have PCI bus problems that cause audio to crackle sporadically. > also, the PCI bus limits burst transfers from hard drives. > > I have used motherboards from Gigabyte, biostar, asus, abit, epox, and ecs. > Asus, Abit, and Epox have given me my best experiences. > > I think over clocking an AMD system on a KT400 chipset with corsair memory will > give you the best performance because you will be able to hit 200Mhz FSB if you > use the Asus board. Asus has the 1/6 divider so that 200 mhz keeps the PCI and > AGP busses running stable. the new Thoroughbred core XP2200+ with a 200 mhz > FSB is a great performer, you should be able to hit 2 gig with that chip. > > Stock speeds P4 with 1066 rambus memory is going to be the best performer. > > I would not recommend Over clocking your first system for at least the first month. > I think it helps to have a point of reference before moving into that territory. > It also helps to have a system that works 100% for a while, just for your own > gratification of having a working system when done. > Nvidia graphics cards have good driver support. > > Raid controllers are common on motherboards these days. Linux has sketchy support > for newer raid chips. > I think that you are sometimes better off buying a Raid card anyway as onboard > raid chips are not what they are cracked up to be. > > if you can give some more info on what you want I can direct you to other resources. > > newegg.com is a great place to buy from, best customer support I have dealt with > (buy case local because of shipping) > overclockers.com - info on overclocking. > storagereview.com - info on raid and hard drives. > > Do not use tomshardware.com they are such posers. > > > Message: 10 > From: johnk > Reply-To: johnk at ecol.net > Organization: noorg.org > To: madlug at madisonlinux.org > Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 17:22:04 -0500 > Subject: [Madlug] Will the best building kit please stand up? > > Hi: > I want to build a desktop for around 1000 bucks and I've been commiserating > over buying a kit for quite some time, but I'm basically overwhelmed by the > varieties of mobo/chip combos out there. Since I'm a virgin on building a > desktop, thought I'd ask for recommendations from the experts. CPU Solutions > seems to have some great deals, but I'm wary of where they might place me in > 6 months when I'll probably want to upgrade. > > Do you guys know of some good mobo_chip combos to choose from? The local shop > where I'm thinking of going to (yes, sloth is a virtue) goes with Giga-Byte > mobos for AMD and Intel. They told me $700 for an Athlon box and over a $1000 > for Intel. The chips are 1.8g. I've heard Asus and Abit are the best. Alas, I > be but a babe in the woods, though, so my opinions are not the most > knowledgeable. And yes, indeed, it is true -- I bought the ScreenSavers video > on building your own pc! > > Mucho thanks! > > -- > John Kelly > johnk at ecol.net > http://www.ecol.net/~johnk/index.html > "Don't shoot the penguin. He can dance." > --- > > _______________________________________________ > Madlug mailing list - Madlug at madisonlinux.org > http://www.madisonlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/madlug From johnk at ecol.net Thu Oct 17 14:56:41 2002 From: johnk at ecol.net (John Kelly) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 14:56:41 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] Mucho Thanks Message-ID: <3DAF15F9.BA424AAA@ecol.net> Hi all: Mucho thanks for the replies. You guys are great. I'm up in NCentral WI and you're pretty much on your own with building and, sadly enough, Linux. I'll try to get back to you off the list (lots to digest). > if you want to build a system that just runs at stock speeds and you want > no trouble I would look into a P4 based system using an Intel chipset. > AMD's problem is there chipset support kind of sucks. > for a first timer, an Asus or Abit motherboard with an 845(DDR memory) or > an 850(rambus memory) chipset is the way to go. > > VIA chipsets have PCI bus problems that cause audio to crackle sporadically. > also, the PCI bus limits burst transfers from hard drives. > > I have used motherboards from Gigabyte, biostar, asus, abit, epox, and ecs. > Asus, Abit, and Epox have given me my best experiences. >Daugird? Option (2)- Very nice system - High end parts. Motherboard: Asus P4B533-E (same as above) Processor: Pentium 4 - 1.6 or 1.8ghz (Clocked to 2.4-2.7) HS/Fan: Zalman (same as above) Motherboard/Processor/hs-fan total-415$ Case & PowerSupply: Antec P660 135$ Memory: Corsair 2700 256mb CAS2 DDR Ram 105$ (+100$ for 512mb instead) ***Total (not including standard parts above)655$ ***Grand total (before monitor) 950$ > "John" Haven't heard anything about the VIA chipset problems with the PCI bus on the www. Hmmmm, and thanks! Option 2 looks very appetizing. I should be precise about the locals up here. They did say it would be OVER 1k for a Wintel machine as opposed to $700-800 for an AMD box. I've run into good things about the Asus board (P4B533-E) above. They have a combo kit at CPU solutions that looks good but when checked out the board it only seemd to offer sdram PC133 and not DDR. I've heard DDR is the way to go with games. >Nvidia graphics cards have good driver support. Definitely sold on Nvidia. I'm running a Gateway PIII 450 on a Tabor(??) board with an old Riva TNT 128 and the nvidia drivers were no problem with RedHat 7.2. Soldier of Fortune runs ok (well, it starts to stall when there are too many bad guys to shoot). I assume it's the PIII starting to groan. Would've upgraded through Gateway but I got 3 different answers about what I could upgrade to on the mysterious TABOR board. A PIII-700 seemed to be the answer, to the tune of over $300! That was the archetypal moment that pressed me toward building from the ground up. Gateway support is great but they really bleed you on upgrades. Still have to digest all the advice and mucho thanks again! -- John Kelly johnk at ecol.net http://www.ecol.net/~johnk/index.html "Don't shoot the penguin. He can dance." --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From ds3 at tds.net Thu Oct 17 16:13:31 2002 From: ds3 at tds.net (Ernest Stracener) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 16:13:31 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] Mucho Thanks Message-ID: <200210172113.g9HLDVTN012113@im2.sec.tds.net> Just from my limited experience, I like the barebones systems from aberdeeninc.com -- have bought two from them in as many years & haven't been able to beat their prices anywhere else so far... Ernie From: John Kelly Date: 2002/10/17 Thu PM 02:56:41 CDT To: madlug Subject: [Madlug] Mucho Thanks Hi all: Mucho thanks for the replies. You guys are great. I'm up in NCentral WI and you're pretty much on your own with building and, sadly enough, Linux. I'll try to get back to you off the list (lots to digest). > if you want to build a system that just runs at stock speeds and you want > no trouble I would look into a P4 based system using an Intel chipset. > AMD's problem is there chipset support kind of sucks. > for a first timer, an Asus or Abit motherboard with an 845(DDR memory) or > an 850(rambus memory) chipset is the way to go. > > VIA chipsets have PCI bus problems that cause audio to crackle sporadically. > also, the PCI bus limits burst transfers from hard drives. > > I have used motherboards from Gigabyte, biostar, asus, abit, epox, and ecs. > Asus, Abit, and Epox have given me my best experiences. >Daugird? Option (2)- Very nice system - High end parts. Motherboard: Asus P4B533-E (same as above) Processor: Pentium 4 - 1.6 or 1.8ghz (Clocked to 2.4-2.7) HS/Fan: Zalman (same as above) Motherboard/Processor/hs-fan total-415$ Case & PowerSupply: Antec P660 135$ Memory: Corsair 2700 256mb CAS2 DDR Ram 105$ (+100$ for 512mb instead) ***Total (not including standard parts above)655$ ***Grand total (before monitor) 950$ > "John" Haven't heard anything about the VIA chipset problems with the PCI bus on the www. Hmmmm, and thanks! Option 2 looks very appetizing. I should be precise about the locals up here. They did say it would be OVER 1k for a Wintel machine as opposed to $700-800 for an AMD box. I've run into good things about the Asus board (P4B533-E) above. They have a combo kit at CPU solutions that looks good but when checked out the board it only seemd to offer sdram PC133 and not DDR. I've heard DDR is the way to go with games. >Nvidia graphics cards have good driver support. Definitely sold on Nvidia. I'm running a Gateway PIII 450 on a Tabor(??) board with an old Riva TNT 128 and the nvidia drivers were no problem with RedHat 7.2. Soldier of Fortune runs ok (well, it starts to stall when there are too many bad guys to shoot). I assume it's the PIII starting to groan. Would've upgraded through Gateway but I got 3 different answers about what I could upgrade to on the mysterious TABOR board. A PIII-700 seemed to be the answer, to the tune of over $300! That was the archetypal moment that pressed me toward building from the ground up. Gateway support is great but they really bleed you on upgrades. Still have to digest all the advice and mucho thanks again! -- John Kelly johnk at ecol.net http://www.ecol.net/~johnk/index.html "Don't shoot the penguin. He can dance." --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] _______________________________________________ Madlug mailing list - Madlug at madisonlinux.org http://www.madisonlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/madlug From scayford at tds.net Fri Oct 18 13:53:56 2002 From: scayford at tds.net (scayford at tds.net) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 13:53:56 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] pc100 vs pc133 ram Message-ID: Hey. I was looking to buy a stick of ram for my home machine (currently with 128MB on a PC100 stick) and found a deal on newegg.com for 256MB PC133. My understanding was that PC133 is backwards compatible with PC100, but the page has a disclaimer saying that Kingston doesn't recommend using PC133 with a 100Mhz bus. Is that just legal self-protection or is this a real issue? -Steve From mtinberg at securepipe.com Fri Oct 18 15:21:56 2002 From: mtinberg at securepipe.com (Mark Tinberg) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 15:21:56 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Madlug] pc100 vs pc133 ram In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 18 Oct 2002 scayford at tds.net wrote: > Hey. I was looking to buy a stick of ram for my home machine (currently > with 128MB on a PC100 stick) and found a deal on newegg.com for 256MB > PC133. My understanding was that PC133 is backwards compatible with > PC100, but the page has a disclaimer saying that Kingston doesn't > recommend using PC133 with a 100Mhz bus. > Sounds bogus. There should be no problem with running memory at a slower speed than what it is rated for. As long as you have the same basic type (SDRAM, RDRAM, DDR, etc) there should be no problem. Maybe they are trying to encourage people to get rid of some older stock? -- Mark Tinberg Network Security Engineer, SecurePipe Inc. Remember: Wherever you go, there you are! Key fingerprint = AF6B 0294 EE33 D802 F7A1 38A4 CF52 5FE0 7470 E5F7 Your daily fortune . . . QOTD: Ludwig Boltzmann, who spend much of his life studying statistical mechanics died in 1906 by his own hand. Paul Ehrenfest, carrying on the work, died similarly in 1933. Now it is our turn. -- Goodstein, States of Matter From wa4chq at qsl.net Fri Oct 18 15:50:20 2002 From: wa4chq at qsl.net (wa4chq at qsl.net) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 16:50:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Madlug] tnx again Message-ID: Greetings gang- Just want again, to thank all for tips and info about some of the problems I have been having with Linux. All the best-- Neil T. -- Linux Rules the roost. Ham Radio Rules the waves...http://www.qsl.net/wa4chq From harv at tds.net Fri Oct 18 16:29:34 2002 From: harv at tds.net (Harv Nelson) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 16:29:34 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] pc100 vs pc133 ram Message-ID: <200210182129.g9ILT4F1009808@im1.sec.tds.net> The way I heard it, you weren't suppose to mix sticks with different values ... a pc100 stick in one slot and a pc133 stick in another. Sticks with equal ratings outa be cool. Harv > > From: Mark Tinberg > Date: 2002/10/18 Fri PM 03:21:56 CDT > To: scayford at tds.net > CC: madlug at madisonlinux.org > Subject: Re: [Madlug] pc100 vs pc133 ram > > On Fri, 18 Oct 2002 scayford at tds.net wrote: > > > Hey. I was looking to buy a stick of ram for my home machine (currently > > with 128MB on a PC100 stick) and found a deal on newegg.com for 256MB > > PC133. My understanding was that PC133 is backwards compatible with > > PC100, but the page has a disclaimer saying that Kingston doesn't > > recommend using PC133 with a 100Mhz bus. > > > > Sounds bogus. There should be no problem with running memory at a slower > speed than what it is rated for. As long as you have the same basic type > (SDRAM, RDRAM, DDR, etc) there should be no problem. Maybe they are > trying to encourage people to get rid of some older stock? > > -- > Mark Tinberg > Network Security Engineer, SecurePipe Inc. > Remember: Wherever you go, there you are! > Key fingerprint = AF6B 0294 EE33 D802 F7A1 38A4 CF52 5FE0 7470 E5F7 > > Your daily fortune . . . > > QOTD: > Ludwig Boltzmann, who spend much of his life studying statistical > mechanics died in 1906 by his own hand. Paul Ehrenfest, carrying > on the work, died similarly in 1933. Now it is our turn. > -- Goodstein, States of Matter > > > _______________________________________________ > Madlug mailing list - Madlug at madisonlinux.org > http://www.madisonlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/madlug > From sogo at cs.wisc.edu Fri Oct 18 18:42:24 2002 From: sogo at cs.wisc.edu (Takashi Sogo) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 18:42:24 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] pc100 vs pc133 ram In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <408E6FA0-E2F3-11D6-99D5-0030654B4106@cs.wisc.edu> I have a Tyan S1598C2. The manual says "PC-100 DIMMs are required if CPU bus speed is at 100MHz." It is running at 100MHz on my motherboard. But I mixed one 64MB PC-100 and one PC-133 RAM together and running fine. Just as an example... -- Takashi Sogo From wa4chq at qsl.net Fri Oct 18 19:19:33 2002 From: wa4chq at qsl.net (wa4chq at qsl.net) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 20:19:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Madlug] re: mutt Message-ID: Greetings- I have dumped my mail and forgot to save the message from one of the gang who suggested I try mutt. Well I would like to try it but may need some help setting it up. The rpm is on mandrake, and I did use it to read mail, but can't get it configured to send. What I am using now is fetchmail with pine. I still can't get pine to do spell check or send attachments without things locking up. So seems like a good time to try mutt. cheers- Neil T. -- Linux Rules the roost. Ham Radio Rules the waves...http://www.qsl.net/wa4chq From soisaac at wisc.edu Sat Oct 19 13:17:43 2002 From: soisaac at wisc.edu (Stuart Isaac) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 13:17:43 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] swap partition on ATA/33 hard drive In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <0FA30DBB-E38F-11D6-8FEC-000393B8A682@wisc.edu> I have an ATA/66 hard drive and an ATA/33 hard drive (on different controllers, of course). I was thinking of using a partition on the ATA/33 drive for swap in order to conserve space on the ATA/66 drive for the root partition. Would this significantly affect the performance of my system? I have 512 MB of RAM, the ATA/66 drive is 7200 rpm, and I'm not sure that the ATA/33 drive even does 5400 rpm. Thanks for any advice. Stuart From martin-madlug at wonderfrog.net Sat Oct 19 13:40:56 2002 From: martin-madlug at wonderfrog.net (Martin A. Brown) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 13:40:56 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Madlug] [OT] ADSL; ameritech.net now using PAP instead of CHAP Message-ID: Hello MadLUG, I administer two machines with ADSL connections (PPPoE) to ameritech.net here in the Madison area. It turns out that sometime late last night (around 2002-10-19 02:20) ameritech.net ceased accepting CHAP negotiation for their PPPoE Internet clients. If you use ameritech.net access, try using PAP authentication instead of CHAP. It should work. For rp-pppoe (Roaring Penguine PPPoE), you can simply add your authentication credentials from /etc/ppp/chap-secrets to /etc/ppp/pap-secrets. Then try to connect again. If you need to call the support number +1 877 722 3755, you'll want to hit 1-2-4-1 to get the PC support group, who will tell you that you need to contact linux for support. ;-) -Martin -- Martin A. Brown --- Wonderfrog Enterprises --- martin at wonderfrog.net From jyan at stat.wisc.edu Sat Oct 19 23:36:14 2002 From: jyan at stat.wisc.edu (Jun Yan) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 23:36:14 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Madlug] batch processing images In-Reply-To: <016e01c2759f$227b21e0$9865fea9@eric> Message-ID: I have many pictures that I would like to rotate 90 degrees (and possible resize them to a certain size). What is the best way to accomplish this in a batch? Thanks, Jun From martin-madlug at wonderfrog.net Sun Oct 20 00:48:43 2002 From: martin-madlug at wonderfrog.net (Martin A. Brown) Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 00:48:43 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Madlug] batch processing images In-Reply-To: Message-ID: You probably want to use "convert" from ImageMagick. Examples: # -- rotate clockwise; make output 640x480 or smaller matching # dimension # $ convert -rotate +90% -geometry 640x480 input.jpg output.png # -- rotate counter-clockwise; make output 10% of original size # $ convert -rotate -90% -geometry 30% input.jpg output.jpg convert auto-magically figures out what type of file to write based on the extension you use for the filename. If you have a mess of files on which you wish to perform the same operation..... $ for image in *.jpg; do > convert -rotate +90% -geometry 25% $i.jpg ${i%*.jpg}.png > done Bonne chance, -Martin On Sat, 19 Oct 2002, Jun Yan wrote: : I have many pictures that I would like to rotate 90 degrees (and possible : resize them to a certain size). What is the best way to accomplish this in : a batch? : : Thanks, : : Jun : : : _______________________________________________ : Madlug mailing list - Madlug at madisonlinux.org : http://www.madisonlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/madlug : : -- Martin A. 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Get reliable MSN Internet Access. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp From ted at hiegel.net Sun Oct 20 10:10:13 2002 From: ted at hiegel.net (Ted Cohen) Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 10:10:13 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] batch processing images Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20021020093018.021c6ba0@mailhost.rkf.ameritech.net> Two questions on martin's solution to jun's request to rotate a batch of images. 1) given that the for line was "for image in *.jpg", would not the do line refer to "$image.jpg" instead of "$i.jpg"? martin knows way more about this than i do so i am thinking it is not a typo. if the script is correct as written, could you explain that part of it to me. 2) ImageMagik is highly regarded and can do many things with images including perhaps resize them which was part of the question. it will also work with images of formats other than jpegs so it is a good candidate for this task. however, jpegs are loose quality with each read/write iteration so using software that opens the image, reads it into a bitmap, rotates it and writes it back out results in an image of less quality than the original. i have read that jpegs set their orientation with 2 bits in the header and they can be rotated just by setting those bits. software that does "lossless jpeg rotation" is readily available. in the home pages of these various image rotators, they show samples of the progressive image deterioration as they rotate the same image 4 times with image editing software. after 4 90 degree rotations, the file should be equivalent to the original file, but it is instead much worse. i believe that ImageMagik can rotate a file any number of degrees (such as 16.333) which would be great if the camera was held a little of kilter and you wanted to fix that, and you would gladly suffer some image loss to make the horizon horizontal in your image. but the ability to do that makes the software a less than optimal choice for the task of rotating an image 90, 180 or 270 degrees, unless the good people that wrote ImageMagik special case those rotations. i find ImageMagik to be powerful but the documentation a bit sparse. i have not read anywhere that it special cases jpeg rotations in multiples of 90 degrees so i use other software for that task with the goal of keeping all of my pixels intact. a google search on "lossless jpeg rotation" will gets you lots of information on the technology and the available software choices. if ImageMagik does lossless jpeg rotation already, i would appreciate knowing that. somebody could put a sensor in the camera to determine which way it is oriented, or software could be adapted to look for characters, people or trees in the image and make a highly educated guess as to which way is up when writing the initial jpeg. some cameras already find head and shoulders in the view in real time as part of the autofocus software. they use it to decide which part of the view to bring into focus, now just extend that to set the orientation of the output file as well and we will not need to deal with jun's question at all. From martin-madlug at wonderfrog.net Sun Oct 20 12:13:13 2002 From: martin-madlug at wonderfrog.net (Martin A. Brown) Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 12:13:13 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Madlug] batch processing images In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20021020093018.021c6ba0@mailhost.rkf.ameritech.net> Message-ID: Thanks, Ted! Boy is that embarrassing. I didn't notice that error, but I did notice on re-reading my post (this morning) that I had 10% == 30%. Somehow, I don't think that works! : 1) given that the for line was "for image in *.jpg", would not the do line : refer to "$image.jpg" instead of "$i.jpg"? martin knows way more about : this than i do so i am thinking it is not a typo. if the script is correct : as written, could you explain that part of it to me. Anyway...Ted is right--it was a thinko/typo....it should have looked like this: $ for image in *.jpg; do > convert -rotate +90% -geometry 25% ${image} ${image%*.jpg}.png > done Sorry to have posted so sloppily.... -Martin -- Martin A. Brown --- Wonderfrog Enterprises --- martin at wonderfrog.net From marklists at mceahern.com Sun Oct 20 18:06:45 2002 From: marklists at mceahern.com (Mark McEahern) Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 18:06:45 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] [OT] ADSL; ameritech.net now using PAP instead of CHAP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: [Martin A. Brown] > I administer two machines with ADSL connections (PPPoE) to > ameritech.net here in the Madison area. It turns out that sometime > late last night (around 2002-10-19 02:20) ameritech.net ceased > accepting CHAP negotiation for their PPPoE Internet clients. > > If you use ameritech.net access, try using PAP authentication > instead of CHAP. It should work. Is anyone from Madison connecting successfully to Ameritech with Roaring Penguin PPPoE? I have 3.5-1 (installed from RPM) and it's no longer working. Just stopped sometime today. My authentication information is in pap-secrets and chap-secrets and it appears to be trying PAP. When I called Ameritech, the tech support guy said they don't support Linux, so he walked me through setting it up on Windows XP. It was flaky there, but I did get it to connect after we disabled LCP extensions. I'd be happy to provide more debugging information, but primarily I'm curious whether other folks are experiencing a disruption in service this weekend and whether/how you've surmounted it? Thanks, // mark - From marklists at mceahern.com Sun Oct 20 18:28:10 2002 From: marklists at mceahern.com (Mark McEahern) Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 18:28:10 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] [OT] ADSL; ameritech.net now using PAP instead of CHAP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: [I wrote] > Is anyone from Madison connecting successfully to Ameritech with Roaring > Penguin PPPoE? I was able to solve my connection problems--for now at least --by commenting out PPPOE_TIMEOUT in /etc/ppp/pppoe.conf. Cheers, // mark - From martin-madlug at wonderfrog.net Sun Oct 20 19:38:13 2002 From: martin-madlug at wonderfrog.net (Martin A. Brown) Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 19:38:13 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Madlug] [OT] ADSL; ameritech.net now using PAP instead of CHAP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Actually, Mark.... From marklists at mceahern.com Sun Oct 20 18:47:34 2002 From: marklists at mceahern.com (Mark McEahern) Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 18:47:34 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] [OT] ADSL; ameritech.net now using PAP instead of CHAP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: [Martin A. Brown] > From about 15:04 CDT to about 18:09 CDT today, Ameritech had a > serious outage on one of their pieces of equipment..... Wow, the tech I talked to didn't know anything about this (or lied). I'm monumentally frustrated with Ameritech. When it works, you don't need to contact them. But heaven help you if something is wrong--they sure as hell won't. Cheers, // mark - From rferguson at voyager.net Sun Oct 20 22:58:51 2002 From: rferguson at voyager.net (raymond) Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 23:58:51 -0400 Subject: [Madlug] ...Ameritech thread.... + Gentoo / Sourcerer review. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200210202358.51556.rferguson@voyager.net> The tech I talked to try to walk me down the whole what OS do you run... Scripted puppet routine too. After repeating that Linux the second time I told him it's an unsupported OS that I am quite capable of supporting myself. That I am a network proffesional for another company, and that my setup was working fine prior to this afternoon when it quite. I told him I'm power cycled my equipment multiple times and am expieriencing repeated authentication timeouts. Then he finally asked me where I was so I told Madison WI. He then finally coughed up the details telling me that their authentication server in our area was down. Of course there was no ETA on the fix. Anyway... All that aside. I've been experimenting with a couple of disto's on vmware in anticipation of rebuiling my main box (with a little extra hardware.) I tried sorcerer, and it's pretty neat in an insainly geeky way. The entire packaging system is written in bash, and eveything is compiled from scatch. Unfortunately, the packaging system is not intuitive, nor is it very well documented. In fact, the long bash scripts apear to be about the only documentation. Also, the package selection is slim, and the package manager isn't as robust as say Gentoo, which has been like floating through nerdvana thus far. Gentoo's install is not for the weak at hart, but if you've ever moved an install from one box to another new set of hardware or new disks, it's chill. Nothing new. Basically: fdisk, copy filesytem, compile kernel for hardware support, vi fstab, install grub to the mbr and reboot into a thin system. I love portage. It's so like the bsd ports tree. I have mixed feelings about their init system. It's like a hybrid of bsd init and sysV. It uses an init.d directory and init scripts, but loses the rc0 - 6 directories, symlinks, and runlevel correlation. Instead it uses a series of scripts that take into account dependancies. For instance, if the network won't come up, it won't try to start your network servers. While this is a nice feature, I think they've coplicated things more than they need to be. Especially when I can hit i on a rh box and manually skip over whatever I want to and come to the same ends. However, since they kept the initscripts, they havn't really sacrificed compatibility, and their userspace utilities reliably and simply do the work of setting them to start/stop. I really like their centralizing environmental variables in another script in /etc. I know I've done this on a number of my own boxes for simplicities sake. Bringing the gui to life is much like BSD. Pretty manual, but no sweat. If you've ever built a bleeding edge KDE from source on RH, you'll be soo impressed with the work you'll save on Gentoo. Just type "emerge kde" and go to bed. The software santa comes down the wire and poof. New toys in the morning. Installing from RPM is often harder. So.... Go out and use those fancy new processors. woot. On Sunday 20 October 2002 07:47 pm, Mark McEahern wrote: > [Martin A. Brown] > > > From about 15:04 CDT to about 18:09 CDT today, Ameritech had a > > serious outage on one of their pieces of equipment..... > > Wow, the tech I talked to didn't know anything about this (or lied). I'm > monumentally frustrated with Ameritech. When it works, you don't need to > contact them. But heaven help you if something is wrong--they sure as hell > won't. > > Cheers, > > // mark > > - > > > _______________________________________________ > Madlug mailing list - Madlug at madisonlinux.org > http://www.madisonlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/madlug -- Q: What is the sound of one cat napping? A: Mu. From will at upl.cs.wisc.edu Mon Oct 21 09:33:54 2002 From: will at upl.cs.wisc.edu (Will McDonald) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 09:33:54 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] re: mutt In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20021021143354.GD15270@cs.wisc.edu> If you really want to get into mutt and tweak it for you, I suggest reading the Configuration Hints: http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/mutt/setup.html Mutt's defaults are pretty reasonable (don't feel compelled to customize erything), but it's good to understand everything. Also see the Manual: http://www.mutt.org/doc/manual/ and a list of sample configurations: http://www.mutt.org/links.html#config In general I'd read through /etc/Muttrc to understand the defaults (using the manual as a reference, though the comments are very good), then only putt changes from the default in your .muttrc (keeps is readable and is easy to maintain across upgrades). If you host other users, of course, then you'll want to change /etc/Muttrc also. -will If you have specific questions I'd be more than happy to answer them. On Fri, Oct 18, 2002 at 08:19:33PM -0400, wa4chq at qsl.net wrote: > Greetings- > I have dumped my mail and forgot to save the message from one of the gang > who suggested I try mutt. Well I would like to try it but may need some > help setting it up. The rpm is on mandrake, and I did use it to read > mail, but can't get it configured to send. What I am using now is > fetchmail with pine. I still can't get pine to do spell check or send > attachments without things locking up. So seems like a good time to try > mutt. > cheers- > Neil T. -- ---------Will McDonald-----------------will at upl.cs.wisc.edu---------- GPG encrypted mail preferred. Join the web-o-trust! Key ID: F4332B28 From will at upl.cs.wisc.edu Mon Oct 21 10:02:40 2002 From: will at upl.cs.wisc.edu (Will McDonald) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 10:02:40 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] batch processing images In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20021020093018.021c6ba0@mailhost.rkf.ameritech.net> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20021020093018.021c6ba0@mailhost.rkf.ameritech.net> Message-ID: <20021021150240.GF15270@cs.wisc.edu> On Sun, Oct 20, 2002 at 10:10:13AM -0500, Ted Cohen wrote: > Two questions on martin's solution to jun's request to rotate a batch of > images. I use ImageMagick for my image stuff, and have these aliases for rotation: alias rl='mogrify -rotate "-90"' alias rr='mogrify -rotate 90' I also wrote a little perl script [1] to "webbify" my photos - it prepares all photos in a directory for my home-brewed web gallery, basically by resizing to 2 different sized with the "correct" relative dimensions. -will [1] http://www.upl.cs.wisc.edu/~will/webbify [2] http://www.upl.cs.wisc.edu/~will/gallery_index.php http://www.upl.cs.wisc.edu/~will/gallery_update.pl -- ---------Will McDonald-----------------will at upl.cs.wisc.edu---------- GPG encrypted mail preferred. Join the web-o-trust! Key ID: F4332B28 From matt at securepipe.com Sat Oct 19 23:45:39 2002 From: matt at securepipe.com (Matthew Callaway) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 23:45:39 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Madlug] batch processing images In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Use the "convert" program. See "man convert" for the "-rotate" and "-size" options. eg: convert -rotate 90 *.jpg On Sat, 19 Oct 2002, Jun Yan wrote: > I have many pictures that I would like to rotate 90 degrees (and possible > resize them to a certain size). What is the best way to accomplish this in > a batch? > > Thanks, > > Jun > > > _______________________________________________ > Madlug mailing list - Madlug at madisonlinux.org > http://www.madisonlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/madlug > From ricko73 at yahoo.com Mon Oct 21 14:13:59 2002 From: ricko73 at yahoo.com (Hartman Darrick) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 12:13:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Madlug] batch processing images In-Reply-To: <20021021150240.GF15270@cs.wisc.edu> Message-ID: <20021021191359.801.qmail@web12502.mail.yahoo.com> Along similar lines...is there a way to break an mpeg encoded file apart, rotate the frames 90 degrees then merge it all back into an mpeg again? Thanks, Darrick __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From bates at stat.wisc.edu Mon Oct 21 14:25:23 2002 From: bates at stat.wisc.edu (Douglas Bates) Date: 21 Oct 2002 14:25:23 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] Yet another VPN question Message-ID: <6relajr3vg.fsf@bates4.stat.wisc.edu> I use the 'Bucky Bandwidth' cable modem service that Charter administers. This service uses a VPN connection from the Charter hub to the U. of Wisconsin - Madison. Until recently one had to use the proprietary Nortel Extranet software for the VPN connection. As we would expect, they did not provide a Linux version. With the availability of VPN software in Windows 2000 and Windows XP, they have enabled non-encryted connections and provided instructions on how to create such a connection without an Extranet client. See http://helpdesk.doit.wisc.edu/page.php?id=1187 for the gory details. Once I make such a connection under XP the details of the connection are summarized as Device Name WAN Miniport (PPTP) Device Type vpn Server type PPP Transports TCP/IP Authentication PAP Compression MPPC PPP multilink framing Off Server IP address 128.104.112.6 Clent IP address 128.104.112.201 Under Linux I can get a DHCP response and get onto the local loop from where I can contact the VPN server. Is it likely that I could use freeswan or some other VPN client to establish a VPN connection under Linux? Any hints on how I could experiment with this would be appreciated. From rhayden at geek.net Mon Oct 21 14:52:45 2002 From: rhayden at geek.net (Robert A. Hayden) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 14:52:45 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Madlug] Yet another VPN question In-Reply-To: <6relajr3vg.fsf@bates4.stat.wisc.edu> Message-ID: I believe that a FreeSWAN PPTP connection should get you up and going. On 21 Oct 2002, Douglas Bates wrote: > I use the 'Bucky Bandwidth' cable modem service that Charter > administers. This service uses a VPN connection from the Charter hub > to the U. of Wisconsin - Madison. > > Until recently one had to use the proprietary Nortel Extranet software > for the VPN connection. As we would expect, they did not provide a > Linux version. > > With the availability of VPN software in Windows 2000 and Windows XP, > they have enabled non-encryted connections and provided instructions > on how to create such a connection without an Extranet client. See > > http://helpdesk.doit.wisc.edu/page.php?id=1187 > > for the gory details. > > Once I make such a connection under XP the details of the connection > are summarized as > > Device Name WAN Miniport (PPTP) > Device Type vpn > Server type PPP > Transports TCP/IP > Authentication PAP > Compression MPPC > PPP multilink framing Off > Server IP address 128.104.112.6 > Clent IP address 128.104.112.201 > > Under Linux I can get a DHCP response and get onto the local loop from > where I can contact the VPN server. Is it likely that I could use > freeswan or some other VPN client to establish a VPN connection under > Linux? Any hints on how I could experiment with this would be > appreciated. > > _______________________________________________ > Madlug mailing list - Madlug at madisonlinux.org > http://www.madisonlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/madlug > > From matt at kindjal.net Mon Oct 21 14:58:39 2002 From: matt at kindjal.net (Matthew Callaway) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 14:58:39 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Madlug] Yet another VPN question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: FreeSWAN is not PPTP. FreeSWAN is an implimentation of the IPSec suite of protocols. PPTP is a Microsoft protocol that can be supported under Linux via the out-of-date and inactive PoPToP project. If PPTP is your only option, you can use PoPToP. But PPTP is a very poor protocol. There has been extensive cryptanalysis performed showing its many weaknesses. Avoid it at all costs, or at least don't consider yourself safe with it. Matt On Mon, 21 Oct 2002, Robert A. Hayden wrote: > I believe that a FreeSWAN PPTP connection should get you up and going. > > On 21 Oct 2002, Douglas Bates wrote: > > > I use the 'Bucky Bandwidth' cable modem service that Charter > > administers. This service uses a VPN connection from the Charter hub > > to the U. of Wisconsin - Madison. > > > > Until recently one had to use the proprietary Nortel Extranet software > > for the VPN connection. As we would expect, they did not provide a > > Linux version. > > > > With the availability of VPN software in Windows 2000 and Windows XP, > > they have enabled non-encryted connections and provided instructions > > on how to create such a connection without an Extranet client. See > > > > http://helpdesk.doit.wisc.edu/page.php?id=1187 > > > > for the gory details. > > > > Once I make such a connection under XP the details of the connection > > are summarized as > > > > Device Name WAN Miniport (PPTP) > > Device Type vpn > > Server type PPP > > Transports TCP/IP > > Authentication PAP > > Compression MPPC > > PPP multilink framing Off > > Server IP address 128.104.112.6 > > Clent IP address 128.104.112.201 > > > > Under Linux I can get a DHCP response and get onto the local loop from > > where I can contact the VPN server. Is it likely that I could use > > freeswan or some other VPN client to establish a VPN connection under > > Linux? Any hints on how I could experiment with this would be > > appreciated. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Madlug mailing list - Madlug at madisonlinux.org > > http://www.madisonlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/madlug > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Madlug mailing list - Madlug at madisonlinux.org > http://www.madisonlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/madlug > From NickHall at flashmail.com Mon Oct 21 15:03:47 2002 From: NickHall at flashmail.com (Nick Hall) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 15:03:47 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] Yet another VPN question Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20021021150335.02b8ca88@mail.flashmail.com> This was in the email I received when I recently signed up for BuckyBandwidth. It works for me (the connection is not encrypted of course): Configuring RedHat 7.0 for use with DoIT cable modem service Revision 22 DISCLAIMER: Officially, this is upsupported. We offer these instructions as a courtesy. If you have problems with them, any support given at the Help Desk or elsewhere at DoIT is strictly on a "best effort" basis, with no guarantee of success. [This document assumes that you already have your ethernet card (eth0) properly configured to use DHCP. Consult your RedHat Linux documentation for information regarding configuring an ethernet card to use DHCP] NOTE: This document assumes that you are logged in as root or have either su'd or sudo'd to root. 1] Install PPP You can verify that PPP is installed by typing rpm -q ppp Consult your RedHat documentation for information on installing PPP if it is not already installed. 2] Download and compile pptp-linux from http://cag.lcs.mit.edu/~cananian/Projects/PPTP/ After compiling pptp-linux, copy pptp and pptp_callmgr into /usr/local/bin 3] Edit /etc/hosts to contain the following line 12.24.207.58 doit-cable 4] Edit /etc/ppp/pap-secrets to contain the following line username doit-cable password where username is your cable modem username and password is your cable modem password 5] Edit /etc/ppp/options so that it only contains the following three lines lock noauth defaultroute 6] Add a route to the cable modem router /sbin/route add -host 12.24.207.58 gw a.b.c.d dev eth0 a.b.c.d can be determined by typing netstat -nr a.b.c.d will be the Gateway value in the row that begins with 0.0.0.0. For example, if the last line of 'netstat -nr' reads 0.0.0.0 10.11.244.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 then a.b.c.d would be 10.11.244.1 and the command to be typed would be /sbin/route add -host 12.24.207.58 gw 10.11.244.1 dev eth0 7] Delete the default route /sbin/route del default 8] Connect to the pptp server pptp doit-cable name username where username is your cable modem username Be patient after connecting. Depending on the speed of your machine, it may take up to 30 seconds for your VPN connection to become usable. 9] To hangup your connection, type killall pppd Steps 1-5 are one-time setup steps. Step 6 is required after every reboot and steps 7-8 are required everytime you wish to connect to the cable modem service. Hope this helps! Nick At 02:25 PM 10/21/2002, you wrote: >I use the 'Bucky Bandwidth' cable modem service that Charter >administers. This service uses a VPN connection from the Charter hub >to the U. of Wisconsin - Madison. > >Until recently one had to use the proprietary Nortel Extranet software >for the VPN connection. As we would expect, they did not provide a >Linux version. > >With the availability of VPN software in Windows 2000 and Windows XP, >they have enabled non-encryted connections and provided instructions >on how to create such a connection without an Extranet client. See > > http://helpdesk.doit.wisc.edu/page.php?id=1187 > >for the gory details. > >Once I make such a connection under XP the details of the connection >are summarized as > > Device Name WAN Miniport (PPTP) > Device Type vpn > Server type PPP > Transports TCP/IP > Authentication PAP > Compression MPPC > PPP multilink framing Off > Server IP address 128.104.112.6 > Clent IP address 128.104.112.201 > >Under Linux I can get a DHCP response and get onto the local loop from >where I can contact the VPN server. Is it likely that I could use >freeswan or some other VPN client to establish a VPN connection under >Linux? Any hints on how I could experiment with this would be >appreciated. > >_______________________________________________ >Madlug mailing list - Madlug at madisonlinux.org >http://www.madisonlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/madlug From rhayden at geek.net Mon Oct 21 15:05:34 2002 From: rhayden at geek.net (Robert A. Hayden) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 15:05:34 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Madlug] Yet another VPN question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: 1) I meant PoPToP. I've been working with both for the new UW Campus VPN server and my brain got confused. 2) As much as PPTP "sucks", unfortunately we are still stuck with it in a lot of areas. On Mon, 21 Oct 2002, Matthew Callaway wrote: > FreeSWAN is not PPTP. FreeSWAN is an implimentation of the IPSec suite > of protocols. PPTP is a Microsoft protocol that can be supported under > Linux via the out-of-date and inactive PoPToP project. If PPTP is your > only option, you can use PoPToP. But PPTP is a very poor protocol. > There has been extensive cryptanalysis performed showing its many > weaknesses. Avoid it at all costs, or at least don't consider yourself > safe with it. > > Matt > > On Mon, 21 Oct 2002, Robert A. Hayden wrote: > > > I believe that a FreeSWAN PPTP connection should get you up and going. > > > > On 21 Oct 2002, Douglas Bates wrote: > > > > > I use the 'Bucky Bandwidth' cable modem service that Charter > > > administers. This service uses a VPN connection from the Charter hub > > > to the U. of Wisconsin - Madison. > > > > > > Until recently one had to use the proprietary Nortel Extranet software > > > for the VPN connection. As we would expect, they did not provide a > > > Linux version. > > > > > > With the availability of VPN software in Windows 2000 and Windows XP, > > > they have enabled non-encryted connections and provided instructions > > > on how to create such a connection without an Extranet client. See > > > > > > http://helpdesk.doit.wisc.edu/page.php?id=1187 > > > > > > for the gory details. > > > > > > Once I make such a connection under XP the details of the connection > > > are summarized as > > > > > > Device Name WAN Miniport (PPTP) > > > Device Type vpn > > > Server type PPP > > > Transports TCP/IP > > > Authentication PAP > > > Compression MPPC > > > PPP multilink framing Off > > > Server IP address 128.104.112.6 > > > Clent IP address 128.104.112.201 > > > > > > Under Linux I can get a DHCP response and get onto the local loop from > > > where I can contact the VPN server. Is it likely that I could use > > > freeswan or some other VPN client to establish a VPN connection under > > > Linux? Any hints on how I could experiment with this would be > > > appreciated. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Madlug mailing list - Madlug at madisonlinux.org > > > http://www.madisonlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/madlug > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Madlug mailing list - Madlug at madisonlinux.org > > http://www.madisonlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/madlug > > > > > From wa4chq at qsl.net Wed Oct 23 05:53:53 2002 From: wa4chq at qsl.net (wa4chq at qsl.net) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 06:53:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Madlug] Mutt question Message-ID: Greetings all.... Will, I have Mutt installed and setting it up using one of the links you provided. So far so good. But the problem I am having is about MTA. I have one set up (pretty obvious!) but don't understand exactly how to get it to work for Mutt. I can send messages with Pine and with Evolution. I installed Mutt from a Mandrake rpm. I don't see anything in my home directory for any Mutt stuff, so I am not sure where to find the Mutt files. If I found them, would I be able to configure it to send mail? Tnx- Neil T. -- Linux Rules the roost. Ham Radio Rules the waves...http://www.qsl.net/wa4chq From will at upl.cs.wisc.edu Wed Oct 23 09:26:35 2002 From: will at upl.cs.wisc.edu (Will McDonald) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 09:26:35 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] Mutt question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20021023142635.GB6068@cs.wisc.edu> On Wed, Oct 23, 2002 at 06:53:53AM -0400, wa4chq at qsl.net wrote: > Greetings all.... > Will, I have Mutt installed and setting it up using one of the links you > provided. So far so good. But the problem I am having is about MTA. I > have one set up (pretty obvious!) but don't understand exactly how to get > it to work for Mutt. I can send messages with Pine and with Evolution. I > installed Mutt from a Mandrake rpm. I don't see anything in my home > directory for any Mutt stuff, so I am not sure where to find the Mutt > files. If I found them, would I be able to configure it to send mail? Not exactly sure what you're asking, but I'll take a shot. By default (I think) mutt uses "set folder=~/Mail" and "set spool=/var/spool/mail/". Mutt also, by default stores mail in (standard) mbox format - same as pine, I think. Evolution uses a combination of mboxes and xml files for metadata, in ~/.evolution. If you wanted to be clever, you could symlink to the mboxes in .evolution from ~/Mail or ~/mail. * You can set your "mail" directory to be whatever you want - this just makes it easier to type (c to change directories) -- you can type =sent instead of ~/mail/sent * I have my mail dropped in =inbox instead of my spool. When it used to go to my spool, I had =inbox symlinked to my spool * Mutt also uses sendmail by default (set sendmail="/usr/sbin/sendmail -oem -oi"), so if you're using sendmail that should work fine. If you're using another MTA the web should help you change that. You can also use SMTP. * If you want to automatically save messages you send, add this to your .muttrc (you have the option of setting fcc manually when you send): # (save sent message to mailbox if regexp matches (or not)) fcc-hook .* "=sent" * I have a very very rough Mutt and GPG transition guide - it was written with UPL users in mind, but you may find something useful there: http://www.upl.cs.wisc.edu/~will/ Hope this is a good start, -w -- ---------Will McDonald-----------------will at upl.cs.wisc.edu---------- GPG encrypted mail preferred. Join the web-o-trust! Key ID: F4332B28 From sterling at sterlinganderson.net Wed Oct 23 15:28:28 2002 From: sterling at sterlinganderson.net (Sterling Anderson) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 15:28:28 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] Default permissions when creating a file? Message-ID: <20021023202828.GA8697@sterlinganderson.net> I have an annoying problem at work. We are doing our web development on Windows (or Mac) machines and uploading to our Linux server. Whenever our web designer FTPs her files to the server they are created with -rw-r--r-- permissions. So I have to log into a terminal and make everything groups writeable before I can edit these files. Could someone tell me how to change the defaults for users so when they create new files they will be goup writeable? Everyone has the same default group so then files we create would be writeable amongst each other. Thanks. ^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^ Sterling Anderson -- sterling at sterlinganderson.net http://sterlinganderson.net "Zion's more important than me or you or even Morpheus." "Well there has to be something that we can do." "There is. We pull the plug." "You're going to kill him? Kill Morpheus?" "We don't have any other choice." -- Tank, Neo and Trinity, "The Matrix" ^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^ From will at upl.cs.wisc.edu Wed Oct 23 15:33:04 2002 From: will at upl.cs.wisc.edu (Will McDonald) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 15:33:04 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] Default permissions when creating a file? In-Reply-To: <20021023202828.GA8697@sterlinganderson.net> References: <20021023202828.GA8697@sterlinganderson.net> Message-ID: <20021023203304.GK6068@cs.wisc.edu> .profile: umask 002 On Wed, Oct 23, 2002 at 03:28:28PM -0500, Sterling Anderson wrote: > I have an annoying problem at work. We are doing our web development on > Windows (or Mac) machines and uploading to our Linux server. Whenever > our web designer FTPs her files to the server they are created with > -rw-r--r-- permissions. So I have to log into a terminal and make > everything groups writeable before I can edit these files. > Could someone tell me how to change the defaults for users so when they > create new files they will be goup writeable? Everyone has the same > default group so then files we create would be writeable amongst each > other. -- ---------Will McDonald-----------------will at upl.cs.wisc.edu---------- GPG encrypted mail preferred. Join the web-o-trust! Key ID: F4332B28 From scayford at tds.net Thu Oct 24 00:00:07 2002 From: scayford at tds.net (Steven Cayford) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 00:00:07 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] Default permissions when creating a file? In-Reply-To: <20021023203304.GK6068@cs.wisc.edu>; from will@upl.cs.wisc.edu on Wed, Oct 23, 2002 at 15:33:04 -0500 References: <20021023202828.GA8697@sterlinganderson.net> <20021023203304.GK6068@cs.wisc.edu> Message-ID: <20021024050007.GA25508@isaiah.dafarafet.net> Would that work with ftp? Wouldn't this be an ftp configuration issue? -SteveC On 2002.10.23 15:33:04 -0500 Will McDonald wrote: > .profile: > umask 002 > > On Wed, Oct 23, 2002 at 03:28:28PM -0500, Sterling Anderson wrote: > > I have an annoying problem at work. We are doing our web development on > > Windows (or Mac) machines and uploading to our Linux server. Whenever > > our web designer FTPs her files to the server they are created with > > -rw-r--r-- permissions. So I have to log into a terminal and make > > everything groups writeable before I can edit these files. > > Could someone tell me how to change the defaults for users so when they > > create new files they will be goup writeable? Everyone has the same > > default group so then files we create would be writeable amongst each > > other. > > -- > ---------Will McDonald-----------------will at upl.cs.wisc.edu---------- > GPG encrypted mail preferred. Join the web-o-trust! Key ID: F4332B28 > > > _______________________________________________ > Madlug mailing list - Madlug at madisonlinux.org > http://www.madisonlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/madlug > From mtinberg at securepipe.com Thu Oct 24 01:59:34 2002 From: mtinberg at securepipe.com (Mark Tinberg) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 01:59:34 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Madlug] Default permissions when creating a file? In-Reply-To: <20021023202828.GA8697@sterlinganderson.net> Message-ID: There are probably a couple of ways to go about this. Unfortunately since you aren't logging in interactively, I don't believe that setting any shell variables will help (like umask in .profile). The first thing that comes to mind is to see if your FTP server software can set the umask on a per directory basis. Otherwise you'll have to see what can be done on the client side, the ftp client should be able to chmod 664 the files, this may be configurable as well. On Wed, 23 Oct 2002, Sterling Anderson wrote: > I have an annoying problem at work. We are doing our web development on > Windows (or Mac) machines and uploading to our Linux server. Whenever > our web designer FTPs her files to the server they are created with > -rw-r--r-- permissions. So I have to log into a terminal and make > everything groups writeable before I can edit these files. > Could someone tell me how to change the defaults for users so when they > create new files they will be goup writeable? Everyone has the same > default group so then files we create would be writeable amongst each > other. -- Mark Tinberg Network Security Engineer, SecurePipe Inc. Remember: Wherever you go, there you are! Key fingerprint = AF6B 0294 EE33 D802 F7A1 38A4 CF52 5FE0 7470 E5F7 Your daily fortune . . . War doesn't prove who's right, just who's left. From don_schultz at panvera.com Thu Oct 24 10:00:21 2002 From: don_schultz at panvera.com (Don Schultz) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 10:00:21 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] Default permissions when creating a file? Message-ID: <72CF2973A7532D478D85271D40F608FC243818@mercury.panvera.com> Last time I set up proftpd, you can set a umask in the section for the user you need to set a umask for. Here's one of my old old old proftpd config files: <<<<>>>>> MaxClients 10 UseReverseDNS on User webdev Group webdev RequireValidShell off AnonRequirepassword on AllowOverwrite on User otherdev Group otherdev Umask 022 RequireValidShell off AnonRequirePassword on AllowOverwrite on <<<<<>>>>>> I do not use ftp anymore.... Cleartext passwords make me paranoid :? -don schultz- -----Original Message----- From: Mark Tinberg [mailto:mtinberg at securepipe.com] Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 2:00 AM To: Sterling Anderson Cc: Malug List Subject: Re: [Madlug] Default permissions when creating a file? There are probably a couple of ways to go about this. Unfortunately since you aren't logging in interactively, I don't believe that setting any shell variables will help (like umask in .profile). The first thing that comes to mind is to see if your FTP server software can set the umask on a per directory basis. Otherwise you'll have to see what can be done on the client side, the ftp client should be able to chmod 664 the files, this may be configurable as well. On Wed, 23 Oct 2002, Sterling Anderson wrote: > I have an annoying problem at work. We are doing our web development > on Windows (or Mac) machines and uploading to our Linux server. > Whenever our web designer FTPs her files to the server they are > created with > -rw-r--r-- permissions. So I have to log into a terminal and make > everything groups writeable before I can edit these files. > Could someone tell me how to change the defaults for users so when they > create new files they will be goup writeable? Everyone has the same > default group so then files we create would be writeable amongst each > other. -- Mark Tinberg Network Security Engineer, SecurePipe Inc. Remember: Wherever you go, there you are! Key fingerprint = AF6B 0294 EE33 D802 F7A1 38A4 CF52 5FE0 7470 E5F7 Your daily fortune . . . War doesn't prove who's right, just who's left. _______________________________________________ Madlug mailing list - Madlug at madisonlinux.org http://www.madisonlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/madlug From don_schultz at panvera.com Thu Oct 24 11:02:27 2002 From: don_schultz at panvera.com (Don Schultz) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 11:02:27 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] Need help quick (io size; kernel 2.4.2-2) Message-ID: <72CF2973A7532D478D85271D40F608FC24381C@mercury.panvera.com> I need some help finding out what the max IO size is for redhat 7.1, kernel 2.4.2-2 Is there somewhere where I can look to find that out or is it documented somewhere, I need to find this out for 2 machines running the same kernel version, 1 machine has hardware raid and the other is using normal everyday IDE disks. Thanks, -don schultz- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.madisonlinux.org/pipermail/madlug/attachments/20021024/419e13b4/attachment.htm From don_schultz at panvera.com Thu Oct 24 11:22:01 2002 From: don_schultz at panvera.com (Don Schultz) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 11:22:01 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] Need help quick (io size; kernel 2.4.2-2) Message-ID: <72CF2973A7532D478D85271D40F608FC3A1887@mercury.panvera.com> LOL, I need some more clarification myself! ;) I need to know the "max_io_size" or in otherwords (if I understand it correctly from the oracle dba person) I need to know the: "maximum size or amount of data that the system (kernel) can support pulling from disk in (1) I/O call to the disk" It's for tuning oracle on a server with hardware raid 0+1, and for it's companion, a dev box with ide disks. -don schultz- From don_schultz at panvera.com Thu Oct 24 11:27:18 2002 From: don_schultz at panvera.com (Don Schultz) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 11:27:18 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] Need help quick (io size; kernel 2.4.2-2) Message-ID: <72CF2973A7532D478D85271D40F608FC24381F@mercury.panvera.com> Forgot to add... I'm looking for something in linux that would give me the same info that "maxphys" in solaris does. -don schultz- -----Original Message----- From: Don Schultz Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 11:22 AM To: madlug at madisonlinux.org Subject: RE: [Madlug] Need help quick (io size; kernel 2.4.2-2) LOL, I need some more clarification myself! ;) I need to know the "max_io_size" or in otherwords (if I understand it correctly from the oracle dba person) I need to know the: "maximum size or amount of data that the system (kernel) can support pulling from disk in (1) I/O call to the disk" It's for tuning oracle on a server with hardware raid 0+1, and for it's companion, a dev box with ide disks. -don schultz- _______________________________________________ Madlug mailing list - Madlug at madisonlinux.org http://www.madisonlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/madlug From ricko73 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 24 11:59:06 2002 From: ricko73 at yahoo.com (Hartman Darrick) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 09:59:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Madlug] Need help quick (io size; kernel 2.4.2-2) In-Reply-To: <72CF2973A7532D478D85271D40F608FC24381F@mercury.panvera.com> Message-ID: <20021024165906.55358.qmail@web12503.mail.yahoo.com> Or in other words...how many bytes it can bite at one time? lol Darrick > > LOL, I need some more clarification myself! ;) I > need to know the > "max_io_size" or in otherwords (if I understand it > correctly from the > oracle dba person) I need to know the: > > "maximum size or amount of data that the system > (kernel) can support > pulling from disk in (1) I/O call to the disk" > > It's for tuning oracle on a server with hardware > raid 0+1, and for it's > companion, a dev box with ide disks. > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From johnk at ecol.net Thu Oct 24 13:53:01 2002 From: johnk at ecol.net (johnk) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 13:53:01 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] Upgrade Nasty Message-ID: <001401c27b8e$b03faa10$0201a8c0@chico> Hi: Just wondering if anyone has run into this problem: In both my attempts at installing Suse 7.x and Mandrake 9 (most recent), after install I can configure kppp and get a connect to my ISP but Mozilla and/or Netscape cannot find anything. I presume this is due to a name server running on the box that I'm not aware of and there are no entries for the URLs. At any rate, with Mandrake, I tried to disable the local name server and alas, it was a no go. Then when I logged off and shut down, alas, I could NOT shut down. Had to pull the plug! Has anyone sampled the connect headache? Took the plunge on RedHat 7.3 (I hear 8.x is a nightmare for desktop users) and all is cool except for NVidia cards. I kept getting a corrupt archive message with an RPM install of the updated drivers and when I went to earlier GLX and NVidia kernel drivers, poor X went into a 'respawning' coughing fit. Life is a circle! All was well with RedHat 7.2 and I should've left it there. One can only imagine the horrors that await an upgrade to the unmentionable XP ..... Cheers, John Kelly "Orbiting somewhere on a planet far, far, away ...." --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From wa4chq at qsl.net Fri Oct 25 05:50:42 2002 From: wa4chq at qsl.net (wa4chq at qsl.net) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 06:50:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Madlug] mutt problem Message-ID: Hello all...Will- Tnx for the info. The problem I am having is sending mail. I am the only user here. For other distro's, I have never had a problem figuring out how to send mail, but I was using Netscape at first and then quit that and used Pine. Mutt is differant. I am assuming that for sending email, I am using STMP instead of SENDMAIL. If that is the case, I am not sure what I need to do to muttrc to make it work. As I mentioned in my first posting, I like PINE, but since using Mandrake, PINE does not work the way it did with RedHat....I can't send attachments or correct spelling- the screen locks up. I really don't like the "graphix" type of mail programs, but now if I want to send an attachment, I use Evolution but use Pine for the rest...not the way I want to do it....... I have gone over the manual and some of the other links you mention but I didn't see what I was looking for. Basically what I need is something that shows a person who just finished installing "Mandrake" (like me) and does not have anything set up for sending email. I know this is really simple, but still being fairly new to the linux scene, sometimes the simple things are the toughest! cheers- Neil T. -- Linux Rules the roost. Ham Radio Rules the waves...http://www.qsl.net/wa4chq From soisaac at wisc.edu Fri Oct 25 08:43:25 2002 From: soisaac at wisc.edu (Stuart Isaac) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 08:43:25 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] ATA/133 controller recommendations Message-ID: I'm toying with the idea of getting an ATA/133 controller card for my system. Does anyone have any recommendations for a good one that won't require any compiling of kernels or any heroic driver installations? The only one I'm acquainted with is the Promise Ultra133TX2 card, but Red Hat, SuSE, and Mandrake didn't have it in their hardware compatibility lists. Thanks! Stuart From vcolombo at directvinternet.com Fri Oct 25 11:22:34 2002 From: vcolombo at directvinternet.com (Vincent Colombo) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 11:22:34 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] Snort/MySQL/Web Interface Message-ID: <200210251122.34059.vcolombo@directvinternet.com> Hello, I'm looking for the documentation someone mentioned at the last meeting regarding how to set up Snort with a MySQL database and a web based interface. I looked on the Madlug site and didn't find anything. If someone could point me in the right direction I'd greatly appreciate it. Thanks, Vince From vcolombo at directvinternet.com Fri Oct 25 11:27:28 2002 From: vcolombo at directvinternet.com (Vincent Colombo) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 11:27:28 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] Good Linux CD Burning Software Message-ID: <200210251127.28008.vcolombo@directvinternet.com> Just wanted to send links to the two CD Burning programs I mentioned at the last meeting. http://k3b.sourceforge.net - the KDE program made to sort of mimic Nero http://eclipt.uni-klu.ac.at/eroaster.php - Eroaster is also nice Now maybe certain people won't have to boot into Windows to burn CDs. You know who you are. ;) From ds3 at tds.net Fri Oct 25 12:18:42 2002 From: ds3 at tds.net (Ernest Stracener) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 12:18:42 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] Re: Good Linux CD Burning Software References: <200210251127.28008.vcolombo@directvinternet.com> Message-ID: <3DB97CF2.5090209@tds.net> Don't forget XCDRoast! It is a fantastic application, in my extremely biased opinion. http://xcdroast.org Vincent Colombo wrote: > Just wanted to send links to the two CD Burning programs I mentioned at the > last meeting. From spiritlover666 at yahoo.com Fri Oct 25 12:54:29 2002 From: spiritlover666 at yahoo.com (Staci) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 10:54:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Madlug] Good Linux CD Burning Software In-Reply-To: <200210251127.28008.vcolombo@directvinternet.com> Message-ID: <20021025175429.51582.qmail@web12805.mail.yahoo.com> Hey! I did actually remember k3b, but it crashes out when I try to burn. I haven't tried eroaster yet tho, thanks, I'll check it out. :) Thanks! staci --- Vincent Colombo wrote: > Just wanted to send links to the two CD Burning programs I mentioned at the > last meeting. > > http://k3b.sourceforge.net - the KDE program made to sort of mimic Nero > > http://eclipt.uni-klu.ac.at/eroaster.php - Eroaster is also nice > > Now maybe certain people won't have to boot into Windows to burn CDs. You > know > who you are. ;) > > _______________________________________________ > Madlug mailing list - Madlug at madisonlinux.org > http://www.madisonlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/madlug ===== ***************************************** In cyberspace nobody can hear you scream. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH! __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From ricko73 at yahoo.com Fri Oct 25 13:13:38 2002 From: ricko73 at yahoo.com (Hartman Darrick) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 11:13:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Madlug] Good Linux CD Burning Software In-Reply-To: <200210251127.28008.vcolombo@directvinternet.com> Message-ID: <20021025181338.57277.qmail@web12508.mail.yahoo.com> FYI Linux Gazette Online has a how to author DVD's. I've been looking for that for a while. The LAST reason I had to keep Windows around. http://www.linuxgazette.com/issue83/stoddard.html Darrick --- Vincent Colombo wrote: > Just wanted to send links to the two CD Burning > programs I mentioned at the > last meeting. > > http://k3b.sourceforge.net - the KDE program made to > sort of mimic Nero > > http://eclipt.uni-klu.ac.at/eroaster.php - Eroaster > is also nice > > Now maybe certain people won't have to boot into > Windows to burn CDs. You know > who you are. ;) > > _______________________________________________ > Madlug mailing list - Madlug at madisonlinux.org > http://www.madisonlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/madlug __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From ds3 at tds.net Fri Oct 25 13:38:34 2002 From: ds3 at tds.net (Ernest Stracener) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 13:38:34 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] Re: Good Linux CD Burning Software References: <20021025180859.1212.qmail@web12801.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3DB98FAA.3080209@tds.net> Actually, audio CDs were the reason I came upon XCDRoast....my wife and I were taking a trip to far SW South Dakota and wanted to avoid lugging all of our CDs along with, so we made a set of "greatest hits" from our CD collection--copied the selected tracks from the source CD to a directory & once we had all we wanted in a directory, used XCDRoast to order a collection of tracks up to the maximum capacity of the CDR & burned 'em. It was a very labor intensive process & sucked up a lot of disk space, but the result was fantastic....Instead of hauling a bag full of CDs, we produced 13 composite CDs that kept us rockin' the whole way out and back--26 hours of window time. :) I think I did essentially the same thing to burn CD copies of some ancient vinyl records that we wanted to preserve....once I had the pulled the audio from the records into a set of files & cleaned the tracks of pops & crackles, just burned them to disk w/XCDRoast. The hardest part of the process was finding a record player! MP3s are foreign territory for me--I'm totally ignorant about working with MP3s--but I would guess that it would be the same thing...assemble the collection you want & burn 'em to disk. I could probably write a better recipe for how this is done if you want/need it. I don't think I have any way to play MP3s on a CD player (I've just got old pre-MP3 junk. I haven't tried to play MP3s on my machine's CDROM, would that work? Ernest Staci wrote: > extremely biased is right. I like xcdroast less and less. > but it's the most stable. but if you can make audio CDs, I haven't figured out > HOW. And that's a huge drawback when I want to burn audio-CDs to listen to > when I travel. :( > > staci > > --- Ernest Stracener wrote: > >>Don't forget XCDRoast! It is a fantastic application, in my extremely >>biased opinion. >> >>http://xcdroast.org >> >>Vincent Colombo wrote: >> >>>Just wanted to send links to the two CD Burning programs I mentioned at the >> >>>last meeting. >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Madlug mailing list - Madlug at madisonlinux.org >>http://www.madisonlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/madlug > > > > ===== > ***************************************** > In cyberspace nobody can hear you scream. > AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH! > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site > http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ > From scott at wysereeser.com Fri Oct 25 13:41:57 2002 From: scott at wysereeser.com (scott reeser) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 13:41:57 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Madlug] Snort/MySQL/Web Interface In-Reply-To: <200210251122.34059.vcolombo@directvinternet.com> References: <200210251122.34059.vcolombo@directvinternet.com> Message-ID: <50049.128.104.226.3.1035571317.squirrel@mail.wysereeser.com> I'm not sure if this answers your question, but if you have PHP available. phpmyAdming for web based administration of mySQL. http://phpmyadmin.sourceforge.net/ I've also played (mostly just seeing if I could get it set up) with ACIDlab to interpret the logs made by Snort to the mySQL db. http://acidlab.sourceforge.net/ I haven't done much with configuring/fine tuning either of the two...just wanted to see if I could get the combination (Snort/mySQL/ACIDLab) working properly and they appear to be. Hope that helps. Scott > Hello, > > I'm looking for the documentation someone mentioned at the last meeting > regarding how to set up Snort with a MySQL database and a web based > interface. I looked on the Madlug site and didn't find anything. > > If someone could point me in the right direction I'd greatly appreciate > it. > > Thanks, > > Vince > > _______________________________________________ > Madlug mailing list - Madlug at madisonlinux.org > http://www.madisonlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/madlug From ricko73 at yahoo.com Fri Oct 25 13:55:18 2002 From: ricko73 at yahoo.com (Hartman Darrick) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 11:55:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Madlug] Re: Good Linux CD Burning Software In-Reply-To: <3DB98FAA.3080209@tds.net> Message-ID: <20021025185518.76284.qmail@web12502.mail.yahoo.com> > I don't think I have any way to play MP3s on a CD > player (I've just got > old pre-MP3 junk. I haven't tried to play MP3s on > my machine's CDROM, > would that work? > Of course that would work. Use XMMS or in text mode mpg123 (or mpg321). Steps: Mount your cdrom, play the files. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From hardburn at runbox.com Fri Oct 25 15:26:12 2002 From: hardburn at runbox.com (Timm Murray) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 15:26:12 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] ATA/133 controller recommendations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200210251526.16285.hardburn@runbox.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 25 October 2002 08:43, Stuart Isaac wrote: > I'm toying with the idea of getting an ATA/133 controller card for my > system. Does anyone have any recommendations for a good one that won't > require any compiling of kernels or any heroic driver installations? > The only one I'm acquainted with is the Promise Ultra133TX2 card, but > Red Hat, SuSE, and Mandrake didn't have it in their hardware > compatibility lists. Personally, I wouldn't bother with ATA/133. AFAIK, there aren't any drives for it, and probably won't be. Everyone is moving to serial ATA and ignoring ATA/133. AFAIK, there aren't any drives yet for serial ATA, either, but there will be soon. You can also get an attachment for it so your current drives will work. - -- I hate users you sound like a sysadmin already! --irc.openprojects.org, #debian -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAj25qOcACgkQqpueKcacfLQV2gCeK0eK6hzhzgoERsSjOaxNcKSq mywAnAqj5lZjnI0trmfSlVbX5SalMw7x =KvKf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From will at upl.cs.wisc.edu Fri Oct 25 15:28:45 2002 From: will at upl.cs.wisc.edu (Will McDonald) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 15:28:45 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] ATA/133 controller recommendations In-Reply-To: <200210251526.16285.hardburn@runbox.com> References: <200210251526.16285.hardburn@runbox.com> Message-ID: <20021025202845.GB11531@cs.wisc.edu> Regardless, there is still a use for IDE add-on controllers. I just ordered one myself, in fact. Promise cards do, in fact, work under linux (unless things have changed horribly very recently). Just don't expect any cheap (<$80) "RAID" card to work under linux - they are essentially IDE cards and require a windows driver to do software RAID. -w On Fri, Oct 25, 2002 at 03:26:12PM -0500, Timm Murray wrote: > On Friday 25 October 2002 08:43, Stuart Isaac wrote: > > I'm toying with the idea of getting an ATA/133 controller card for my > > system. Does anyone have any recommendations for a good one that won't > > require any compiling of kernels or any heroic driver installations? > > The only one I'm acquainted with is the Promise Ultra133TX2 card, but > > Red Hat, SuSE, and Mandrake didn't have it in their hardware > > compatibility lists. > > Personally, I wouldn't bother with ATA/133. AFAIK, there aren't any drives > for it, and probably won't be. Everyone is moving to serial ATA and ignoring > ATA/133. AFAIK, there aren't any drives yet for serial ATA, either, but > there will be soon. 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So, if anyone is interested, getting Linux up and running on a Dell laptop is a pretty easy thing to do these days. 5) We talked a bit about good Linux books at the last meeting. Naturally, the O'Reilly volumes can usually be recommended. I find that for learning a bit about administration, basic shell scripting, make, and a variety of utilities, Mark Sobell's "A Practical Guide to Linux" ( http://www.sobell.com/LINUX/linux.html ) is still a good resource. You can probably pick it up used. It's several years old (one verseion of the book came with Caldera 1.3), but a lot of its advice is still good (and better than the massive Que, SAMS, "in 24 Hours" books you can pick up). --Steve Krause __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From bates at stat.wisc.edu Fri Oct 25 16:15:24 2002 From: bates at stat.wisc.edu (Douglas Bates) Date: 25 Oct 2002 16:15:24 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] Re: Good Linux CD Burning Software In-Reply-To: <3DB98FAA.3080209@tds.net> References: <20021025180859.1212.qmail@web12801.mail.yahoo.com> <3DB98FAA.3080209@tds.net> Message-ID: <6radl2nrtf.fsf@bates4.stat.wisc.edu> Ernest Stracener writes: > Actually, audio CDs were the reason I came upon XCDRoast....my wife > and I were taking a trip to far SW South Dakota and wanted to avoid > lugging all of our CDs along with, so we made a set of "greatest hits" > from our CD collection--copied the selected tracks from the source CD > to a directory & once we had all we wanted in a directory, used > XCDRoast to order a collection of tracks up to the maximum capacity of > the CDR & burned 'em. It was a very labor intensive process & sucked > up a lot of disk space, but the result was fantastic....Instead of > hauling a bag full of CDs, we produced 13 composite CDs that kept us > rockin' the whole way out and back--26 hours of window time. :) I > think I did essentially the same thing to burn CD copies of some > ancient vinyl records that we wanted to preserve....once I had the > pulled the audio from the records into a set of files & cleaned the > tracks of pops & crackles, just burned them to disk w/XCDRoast. The > hardest part of the process was finding a record player! > > > MP3s are foreign territory for me--I'm totally ignorant about working > with MP3s--but I would guess that it would be the same > thing...assemble the collection you want & burn 'em to disk. I could > probably write a better recipe for how this is done if you want/need > it. It is straightforward to create a CD with an ISO 9660 file system (the usual CD-ROM file system - perhaps with Joliet or Rock Ridge extensions) of a collection of MP3s. Many recent car stereos can play MP3s on ISO-9660 as well as audio CDs. The advantage of the MP3s is that they take up much less space than the original audio tracks. It is common to be able to put the content of 10 to 15 audio CDs onto a single CD-ROM as MP3s. I did have such a CD/(MP3 on CD-ROM) stereo in our car and it worked wonderfully. On long trips I listen to recorded books and I could put an entire book onto a single CD. Then I bought another car that has a wonderful audio system except that it only plays audio CD's. I had to decide what to do with all the recorded books that I had converted to MP3s. The ECLiPt Roaster application (the Debian package is called eroaster) provides a GUI for creating audio CDs or data CDs. It does allow you to create audio CDs from either .mp3 or .ogg files. You need enough temporary storage to convert the .mp3 or .ogg files to .wav files from which it creates that CD. The steps are not complicated - it runs the .mp3 or .ogg file through a player like mpg123 or mpg321 or ogg123 trapping the output as .wav or .cdr files then writes the expanded files as an audio CD. However, it helps to have the process automated for you. With ECLiPt Roaster you just drag-n-drop. These days when I rip audio CD's I convert the audio tracks to .ogg. The encoding algorithm for Ogg/Vorbis is patent-free and a .ogg file is reputed to be better audio quality for the same size than most .mp3 encoders can produce. (I'm an older man and my hearing is not as good as it was, so I can't tell.) Applications like XMMS and a few handhelds like the Sharp Zaurus can play .ogg files. Does anyone know of other hand-helds or portable players or car stereos that can play .ogg? From spiritlover666 at yahoo.com Fri Oct 25 16:26:04 2002 From: spiritlover666 at yahoo.com (Staci) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 14:26:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Madlug] Re: Good Linux CD Burning Software In-Reply-To: <6radl2nrtf.fsf@bates4.stat.wisc.edu> Message-ID: <20021025212604.74843.qmail@web12803.mail.yahoo.com> --- Douglas Bates wrote: > The ECLiPt Roaster application (the Debian package is called eroaster) > provides a GUI for creating audio CDs or data CDs. It does allow you > to create audio CDs from either .mp3 or .ogg files. You need enough > temporary storage to convert the .mp3 or .ogg files to .wav files from > which it creates that CD. The steps are not complicated - it runs the > .mp3 or .ogg file through a player like mpg123 or mpg321 or ogg123 > trapping the output as .wav or .cdr files then writes the expanded > files as an audio CD. However, it helps to have the process automated > for you. With ECLiPt Roaster you just drag-n-drop. It seemed really nice. And then I said "burn CD" and it said "converting to wav..." ...forever. It got stuck. I don't even know why, I have all the normal software. :( For the one CD I wanted for the weekend, I ended up converting them by hand to wav with xmms, and then burning that way. And what it did with the tracks is just bizaare. It made one big track that contains the whole stack of songs. And then, there's all the other tracks...they seem to exist, but each one sorta symlinks to the right spot on that first huge track, rather than containing the data within itself. I have no idea if this was a glitch or if I had some box checked that wasn't supposed to be, or what, but it's very weird. it does work, tho. It takes about quadruple the time to go from one "track" to the next "track" but in my regular stereo, it does eventually get there and start playing normallly. Hopefully will do the same in my discman. If anyone has any clue what happened, I'd love to hear it. (will be back saturday night to recieve emails. ;) ) staci ===== ***************************************** In cyberspace nobody can hear you scream. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH! __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From spiritlover666 at yahoo.com Fri Oct 25 16:26:04 2002 From: spiritlover666 at yahoo.com (Staci) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 14:26:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Madlug] Re: Good Linux CD Burning Software In-Reply-To: <6radl2nrtf.fsf@bates4.stat.wisc.edu> Message-ID: <20021025212604.74843.qmail@web12803.mail.yahoo.com> --- Douglas Bates wrote: > The ECLiPt Roaster application (the Debian package is called eroaster) > provides a GUI for creating audio CDs or data CDs. It does allow you > to create audio CDs from either .mp3 or .ogg files. You need enough > temporary storage to convert the .mp3 or .ogg files to .wav files from > which it creates that CD. The steps are not complicated - it runs the > .mp3 or .ogg file through a player like mpg123 or mpg321 or ogg123 > trapping the output as .wav or .cdr files then writes the expanded > files as an audio CD. However, it helps to have the process automated > for you. With ECLiPt Roaster you just drag-n-drop. It seemed really nice. And then I said "burn CD" and it said "converting to wav..." ...forever. It got stuck. I don't even know why, I have all the normal software. :( For the one CD I wanted for the weekend, I ended up converting them by hand to wav with xmms, and then burning that way. And what it did with the tracks is just bizaare. It made one big track that contains the whole stack of songs. And then, there's all the other tracks...they seem to exist, but each one sorta symlinks to the right spot on that first huge track, rather than containing the data within itself. I have no idea if this was a glitch or if I had some box checked that wasn't supposed to be, or what, but it's very weird. it does work, tho. It takes about quadruple the time to go from one "track" to the next "track" but in my regular stereo, it does eventually get there and start playing normallly. Hopefully will do the same in my discman. If anyone has any clue what happened, I'd love to hear it. (will be back saturday night to recieve emails. ;) ) staci ===== ***************************************** In cyberspace nobody can hear you scream. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH! __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From tom.landmann at upsidedownkingdom.org Fri Oct 25 16:43:25 2002 From: tom.landmann at upsidedownkingdom.org (Thomas Landmann) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 16:43:25 -0500 Subject: Meeting In-Reply-To: <20021025205041.5875.qmail@web11106.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > 3) Our next meeting *should* be next Friday, Nov. 1, > but because of the Halloween partying that will be > going on next Friday, we decided to reschedule the > next Steep & Brew meeting for Friday the 8th (7pm, as > usual). Good call, Zoltan. :-) I drove in from Stoughton for the MadLUG meeting last Friday, and in spite of contending with the insane auto and pedestrian traffic, I was unable to find parking within a reasonable distance of Steep-n-Brew. Campus isn't bad when school is out, but things are definately different now. Personally, I'd prefer a meeting place that was off-campus. Anywhere on the south or southeast side of town would be great. Any thoughts regarding these comments? Thanks, Tom (now wearing flame-retardant suit!) From scayford at tds.net Fri Oct 25 17:38:33 2002 From: scayford at tds.net (Steven Cayford) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 17:38:33 -0500 Subject: Meeting In-Reply-To: ; from tom.landmann@upsidedownkingdom.org on Fri, Oct 25, 2002 at 16:43:25 -0500 References: Message-ID: <20021025223833.GC29261@isaiah.dafarafet.net> > Personally, I'd prefer a meeting place that was off-campus. Anywhere on > the > south or southeast side of town would be great. > > [ ... ] > > Tom (now wearing flame-retardant suit!) That'd be a drag for those of us without automotive vehiculation, especially in winter. Bus service to the south-east side is pretty poor. ...and really, would you want to forego the glamour and bustle of State St. on a Friday evening? -Steve From ricko73 at yahoo.com Fri Oct 25 17:52:03 2002 From: ricko73 at yahoo.com (Hartman Darrick) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 15:52:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Meeting In-Reply-To: <20021025223833.GC29261@isaiah.dafarafet.net> Message-ID: <20021025225203.58726.qmail@web12503.mail.yahoo.com> /me comes with a bucket of water... I agree with Tom. I do know that last weekend was Homecoming weekend, but still. I have to put up with enough stress at my job. I would have to leave at least 1:15 minutes before the meeting to make it on time with traffic on Fridays and other happenings on State Street. > ...and really, would you want to forego the glamour > and bustle of State > St. on a Friday evening? I can go "freak watching" any time I want. I am planning to attend some of the next meetings, but there's gotta be a better place. (stop, drop and roll) Darrick __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From creining at packetfu.org Fri Oct 25 21:12:42 2002 From: creining at packetfu.org (Chris Reining) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 21:12:42 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] Snort/MySQL/Web Interface In-Reply-To: <200210251122.34059.vcolombo@directvinternet.com> References: <200210251122.34059.vcolombo@directvinternet.com> Message-ID: <20021025211242.4d8cfeb8.creining@packetfu.org> Vince, There is an excellent setup guide for snort/mysql/acid on linux here: http://www.superhac.com/snort/snort_enterprise.pdf Chris On Fri, 25 Oct 2002 11:22:34 -0500 Vincent Colombo wrote: > Hello, > > I'm looking for the documentation someone mentioned at the last > meeting regarding how to set up Snort with a MySQL database and a web > based interface. I looked on the Madlug site and didn't find anything. > > If someone could point me in the right direction I'd greatly > appreciate it. > > Thanks, > > Vince From spiritlover666 at yahoo.com Sat Oct 26 23:28:24 2002 From: spiritlover666 at yahoo.com (Staci) Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 21:28:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Meeting In-Reply-To: <20021025225203.58726.qmail@web12503.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20021027042824.71398.qmail@web12806.mail.yahoo.com> Excuse me if I don't feel sorry for you having to drive in your nice warm peaceful car for an hour and fifteen. (I'm resisting the urge to rant, be appreciative.) If you move the meetings, I'll either have to a) stand at a bus stop in the cold waiting for a dirty bus full of icky middle-aged drunks and then ride for 30+min fending off the advances of the aforementioned drunks and listening to the children shriek, or b) stop coming. B is very much the more likely. Luckily, Steve is in charge. Luckily, Steve also takes the bus. ;) staci who counts among her blessings that she usually is only required to ride the bus a few minutes/day. (and dammit must learn to hit "Reply to All" button instead of just "Reply".) --- Hartman Darrick wrote: > /me comes with a bucket of water... > > I agree with Tom. I do know that last weekend was > Homecoming weekend, but still. I have to put up with > enough stress at my job. I would have to leave at > least 1:15 minutes before the meeting to make it on > time with traffic on Fridays and other happenings on > State Street. > > > ...and really, would you want to forego the glamour > > and bustle of State > > St. on a Friday evening? > > I can go "freak watching" any time I want. I am > planning to attend some of the next meetings, but > there's gotta be a better place. > > (stop, drop and roll) > > Darrick > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Y! 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Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From scayford at tds.net Sun Oct 27 13:04:35 2002 From: scayford at tds.net (Steven Cayford) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 13:04:35 -0600 Subject: Meeting In-Reply-To: <20021027042824.71398.qmail@web12806.mail.yahoo.com>; from spiritlover666@yahoo.com on Sat, Oct 26, 2002 at 23:28:24 -0500 References: <20021027042824.71398.qmail@web12806.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20021027190435.GA10492@isaiah.dafarafet.net> On 2002.10.26 23:28:24 -0500 Staci wrote: > Luckily, Steve is in charge. > Luckily, Steve also takes the bus. ;) > > Hmm. Don't know if you're confusing me with Steve K. Just to clarify, I ride the bus, or bike, but I'm not in charge. I'm the guy with the dreads, by the way. -Steve C. From spiritlover666 at yahoo.com Sun Oct 27 13:09:15 2002 From: spiritlover666 at yahoo.com (Staci) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 11:09:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: Meeting In-Reply-To: <20021027190435.GA10492@isaiah.dafarafet.net> Message-ID: <20021027190915.77455.qmail@web12806.mail.yahoo.com> Er no, I'm not confused. (why do people keep thinking that?) Steve K is in charge, I know that, I was not referring to you in any shape or form, I was assuming people would know who I meant. ...the guy with the dreads...ummm...sorry I don't remember. Waaay too much going on in the last week or so. :/ staci --- Steven Cayford wrote: > On 2002.10.26 23:28:24 -0500 Staci wrote: > > > Luckily, Steve is in charge. > > Luckily, Steve also takes the bus. ;) > > > > > > Hmm. Don't know if you're confusing me with Steve K. Just to clarify, I > ride the bus, or bike, but I'm not in charge. > > I'm the guy with the dreads, by the way. > > -Steve C. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Madlug mailing list - Madlug at madisonlinux.org > http://www.madisonlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/madlug ===== ***************************************** In cyberspace nobody can hear you scream. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH! __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From hardburn at runbox.com Sun Oct 27 13:01:29 2002 From: hardburn at runbox.com (Timm Murray) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 14:01:29 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] ATA/133 controller recommendations In-Reply-To: <20021025202845.GB11531@cs.wisc.edu> References: <200210251526.16285.hardburn@runbox.com> <20021025202845.GB11531@cs.wisc.edu> Message-ID: <200210271301.33655.hardburn@runbox.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 25 October 2002 15:28, Will McDonald wrote: > Regardless, there is still a use for IDE add-on controllers. I just > ordered one myself, in fact. Promise cards do, in fact, work under linux > (unless things have changed horribly very recently). Just don't expect > any cheap (<$80) "RAID" card to work under linux - they are essentially > IDE cards and require a windows driver to do software RAID. Ceratainly, there is still a use for a generic ATA controller. I'm just noting that one shouldn't be concerned about ATA/133, since there aren't any drives for it and there probably never will be. There is no reason to *not* buy a motherboard or RAID card that happens to support ATA/133, but the extra speed you get over ATA/100 should be a non-factor in the buying decision. > > -w > > On Fri, Oct 25, 2002 at 03:26:12PM -0500, Timm Murray wrote: > > On Friday 25 October 2002 08:43, Stuart Isaac wrote: > > > I'm toying with the idea of getting an ATA/133 controller card for my > > > system. Does anyone have any recommendations for a good one that won't > > > require any compiling of kernels or any heroic driver installations? > > > The only one I'm acquainted with is the Promise Ultra133TX2 card, but > > > Red Hat, SuSE, and Mandrake didn't have it in their hardware > > > compatibility lists. > > > > Personally, I wouldn't bother with ATA/133. AFAIK, there aren't any > > drives for it, and probably won't be. Everyone is moving to serial ATA > > and ignoring ATA/133. AFAIK, there aren't any drives yet for serial ATA, > > either, but there will be soon. You can also get an attachment for it so > > your current drives will work. - -- Overflow on /dev/null, please empty the bit bucket. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAj28OAwACgkQqpueKcacfLQJbQCcCcL0EgHpCMGJR6HC6fUpEl9N kNkAoIoOguII0Xs4v1Nhk7Vfby49e/xn =zvx9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From tom.landmann at upsidedownkingdom.org Sun Oct 27 13:35:52 2002 From: tom.landmann at upsidedownkingdom.org (Thomas Landmann) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 13:35:52 -0600 Subject: Meeting In-Reply-To: <20021027042824.71398.qmail@web12806.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I have really enjoyed coming to the S-n-B meetings, and I was unhappy that I missed you guys due to my traffic/parking problem. The perfect solution would be workable for everyone. I certainly hope to see Staci and other non-motorized folks at future meetings. Is there a slightly off-campus location that would work for everyone? Tom > -----Original Message----- > From: madlug-admin at madisonlinux.org > [mailto:madlug-admin at madisonlinux.org]On Behalf Of Staci > Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2002 11:28 PM > To: madlug at madisonlinux.org > Subject: Re: Meeting > > > Excuse me if I don't feel sorry for you having to drive in your nice warm > peaceful car for an hour and fifteen. (I'm resisting the urge to rant, be > appreciative.) > If you move the meetings, I'll either have to a) stand at a bus > stop in the > cold waiting for a dirty bus full of icky middle-aged drunks and > then ride for > 30+min fending off the advances of the aforementioned drunks and > listening to > the children shriek, or b) stop coming. > B is very much the more likely. > > Luckily, Steve is in charge. > Luckily, Steve also takes the bus. ;) > > > staci > who counts among her blessings that she usually is only required > to ride the > bus a few minutes/day. > (and dammit must learn to hit "Reply to All" button instead of > just "Reply".) > > --- Hartman Darrick wrote: > > /me comes with a bucket of water... > > > > I agree with Tom. I do know that last weekend was > > Homecoming weekend, but still. I have to put up with > > enough stress at my job. I would have to leave at > > least 1:15 minutes before the meeting to make it on > > time with traffic on Fridays and other happenings on > > State Street. > > > > > ...and really, would you want to forego the glamour > > > and bustle of State > > > St. on a Friday evening? > > > > I can go "freak watching" any time I want. I am > > planning to attend some of the next meetings, but > > there's gotta be a better place. > > > > (stop, drop and roll) > > > > Darrick > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site > > http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Madlug mailing list - Madlug at madisonlinux.org > > http://www.madisonlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/madlug > > > ===== > ***************************************** > In cyberspace nobody can hear you scream. > AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH! > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site > http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Madlug mailing list - Madlug at madisonlinux.org > http://www.madisonlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/madlug > From soisaac at students.wisc.edu Sun Oct 27 15:28:04 2002 From: soisaac at students.wisc.edu (STUART ORRIN ISAAC) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 15:28:04 -0600 Subject: [Madlug] ATA/133 controller recommendations Message-ID: <1bbdd51b9315.1b93151bbdd5@wiscmail.wisc.edu> I happen to already own an ATA/133 drive (unless Maxtor has been lying about its drive) that I'm using on an ATA/66 controller, and I was just curious whether I'd get better performance with the 133 controller. However, from what I've been reading here and elsewhere, it doesn't seem to be worth my time or money. But thanks for the replies, folks. Stuart ----- Original Message ----- From: Timm Murray Date: Sunday, October 27, 2002 1:01 pm Subject: Re: [Madlug] ATA/133 controller recommendations > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Friday 25 October 2002 15:28, Will McDonald wrote: > > Regardless, there is still a use for IDE add-on controllers. I just > > ordered one myself, in fact. Promise cards do, in fact, work > under linux > > (unless things have changed horribly very recently). Just don't > expect> any cheap (<$80) "RAID" card to work under linux - they > are essentially > > IDE cards and require a windows driver to do software RAID. > > Ceratainly, there is still a use for a generic ATA controller. > I'm just > noting that one shouldn't be concerned about ATA/133, since there > aren't any > drives for it and there probably never will be. There is no > reason to *not* > buy a motherboard or RAID card that happens to support ATA/133, > but the extra > speed you get over ATA/100 should be a non-factor in the buying > decision. > > > > -w > > > > On Fri, Oct 25, 2002 at 03:26:12PM -0500, Timm Murray wrote: > > > On Friday 25 October 2002 08:43, Stuart Isaac wrote: > > > > I'm toying with the idea of getting an ATA/133 controller > card for my > > > > system. Does anyone have any recommendations for a good one > that won't > > > > require any compiling of kernels or any heroic driver > installations?> > > The only one I'm acquainted with is the > Promise Ultra133TX2 card, but > > > > Red Hat, SuSE, and Mandrake didn't have it in their hardware > > > > compatibility lists. > > > > > > Personally, I wouldn't bother with ATA/133. AFAIK, there > aren't any > > > drives for it, and probably won't be. Everyone is moving to > serial ATA > > > and ignoring ATA/133. AFAIK, there aren't any drives yet for > serial ATA, > > > either, but there will be soon. You can also get an > attachment for it so > > > your current drives will work. ----- Original Message ----- From: Timm Murray Date: Sunday, October 27, 2002 1:01 pm Subject: Re: [Madlug] ATA/133 controller recommendations > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Friday 25 October 2002 15:28, Will McDonald wrote: > > Regardless, there is still a use for IDE add-on controllers. I just > > ordered one myself, in fact. Promise cards do, in fact, work > under linux > > (unless things have changed horribly very recently). Just don't > expect> any cheap (<$80) "RAID" card to work under linux - they > are essentially > > IDE cards and require a windows driver to do software RAID. > > Ceratainly, there is still a use for a generic ATA controller. > I'm just > noting that one shouldn't be concerned about ATA/133, since there > aren't any > drives for it and there probably never will be. There is no > reason to *not* > buy a motherboard or RAID card that happens to support ATA/133, > but the extra > speed you get over ATA/100 should be a non-factor in the buying > decision. > > > > -w > > > > On Fri, Oct 25, 2002 at 03:26:12PM -0500, Timm Murray wrote: > > > On Friday 25 October 2002 08:43, Stuart Isaac wrote: > > > > I'm toying with the idea of getting an ATA/133 controller > card for my > > > > system. Does anyone have any recommendations for a good one > that won't > > > > require any compiling of kernels or any heroic driver > installations?> > > The only one I'm acquainted with is the > Promise Ultra133TX2 card, but > > > > Red Hat, SuSE, and Mandrake didn't have it in their hardware > > > > compatibility lists. > > > > > > Personally, I wouldn't bother with ATA/133. AFAIK, there > aren't any > > > drives for it, and probably won't be. Everyone is moving to > serial ATA > > > and ignoring ATA/133. AFAIK, there aren't any drives yet for > serial ATA, > > > either, but there will be soon. You can also get an > attachment for it so > > > your current drives will work. > > - -- > Overflow on /dev/null, please empty the bit bucket. > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > iEYEARECAAYFAj28OAwACgkQqpueKcacfLQJbQCcCcL0EgHpCMGJR6HC6fUpEl9N > kNkAoIoOguII0Xs4v1Nhk7Vfby49e/xn > =zvx9 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > _______________________________________________ > Madlug mailing list - Madlug at madisonlinux.org > http://www.madisonlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/madlug > From snowfall at mailbag.com Sun Oct 27 17:53:44 2002 From: snowfall at mailbag.com (snowfall) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 17:53:44 -0600 Subject: Meeting In-Reply-To: References: <20021027042824.71398.qmail@web12806.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20021027175344.20116f09.snowfall@mailbag.com> On Sun, 27 Oct 2002 13:35:52 -0600 "Thomas Landmann" wrote: > Is there a > slightly off-campus location that would work for everyone? How about Speed Jump coffeehouse in the 900 block of E. Johnson St? It's on bus line, bike route, and there's free street parking within a block or two most of the time. It's not 100% handicap-accessible (2 steps up) if that's an issue. Some nights they have poetry readings etc so you might want to call first. Plenty of room, comfy couches etc, friendly management. MP From tom.landmann at upsidedownkingdom.org Sun Oct 27 19:09:08 2002 From: tom.landmann at upsidedownkingdom.org (Thomas Landmann) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 19:09:08 -0600 Subject: Meeting In-Reply-To: <20021027175344.20116f09.snowfall@mailbag.com> Message-ID: I'd be willing to try anything... Coffee is good. (Food would also be good, if someone has a restaraunt idea!) > -----Original Message----- > From: madlug-admin at madisonlinux.org > [mailto:madlug-admin at madisonlinux.org]On Behalf Of snowfall > Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 5:54 PM > To: madlug at madisonlinux.org > Subject: Re: Meeting > > > On Sun, 27 Oct 2002 13:35:52 -0600 > "Thomas Landmann" wrote: > > > Is there a > > slightly off-campus location that would work for everyone? > > How about Speed Jump coffeehouse in the 900 block > of E. Johnson St? It's on bus line, bike route, and > there's free street parking within a block or two most > of the time. It's not 100% handicap-accessible (2 steps > up) if that's an issue. > > Some nights they have poetry readings etc so you > might want to call first. Plenty of room, comfy > couches etc, friendly management. > > MP > > _______________________________________________ > Madlug mailing list - Madlug at madisonlinux.org > http://www.madisonlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/madlug > From hardburn at runbox.com Sun Oct 27 15:05:43 2002 From: hardburn at runbox.com (Timm Murray) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 16:05:43 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] Re: Good Linux CD Burning Software In-Reply-To: <20021025212604.74843.qmail@web12803.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20021025212604.74843.qmail@web12803.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200210271505.46504.hardburn@runbox.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 25 October 2002 16:26, Staci wrote: <> > And what it did with the tracks is just bizaare. It made one big track > that contains the whole stack of songs. And then, there's all the other > tracks...they seem to exist, but each one sorta symlinks to the right spot > on that first huge track, rather than containing the data within itself. I > have no idea if this was a glitch or if I had some box checked that wasn't > supposed to be, or what, but it's very weird. > it does work, tho. It takes about quadruple the time to go from one > "track" to the next "track" but in my regular stereo, it does eventually > get there and start playing normallly. Hopefully will do the same in my > discman. > > If anyone has any clue what happened, I'd love to hear it. > (will be back saturday night to recieve emails. ;) ) Disk At Once mode, perhaps? - -- Build a system that even a fool can use and only a fool will want to use it. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAj28VSkACgkQqpueKcacfLT0GgCgv4ehzzMgu1XOhG0ijGIk0kf6 jAwAnAoQXa6/j4AX/WXK7KlmdZAPfvc+ =vUB1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From zoltan47 at yahoo.com Mon Oct 28 00:32:05 2002 From: zoltan47 at yahoo.com (Steve Krause) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 22:32:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: Meeting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20021028063205.12161.qmail@web11107.mail.yahoo.com> Hello all, We should keep the next meeing (Nov. 8th) at Steep & Brew. I'll post a message to the list several days beforehand, and also list any events at the university / Kohl Center that might cause traffic issues. The next time we have a "presentation" meeting, we'll be back at the Comp. Sci. building [don't have one scheduled at the moment]. The recommendation to meet at another downtown-ish location (near-east Johnson St., for example) is something we can look into, especially if it will allow more people to come to meetings. We've had pretty good attendence the past several meetings -- all of which have gone rather late -- and it would be great to keep that up. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From ted at hiegel.net Mon Oct 28 08:07:55 2002 From: ted at hiegel.net (Ted Cohen) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 08:07:55 -0600 Subject: [Madlug] Meeting thoughts Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021028071919.02967530@pop.terracom.net> first on the location: i cast my vote for staying in a very central location. although i too have misjudged traffic once or twice, i still vote for campus or central downtown as the best all around solution. if we want to stay with steep and brew, perhaps we could put are heads together and share our secrets for where to park and how to navigate the traffic, i have developed mine over time. while we can't all fit into the lot i discovered, i am sure that there are many such places tucked away. i agree with steve that posting the known conflicts (ie home hockey or a concert at the kohl center) could be done and would be helpful. i have a friend that is a dispatcher for fed ex that keeps track of such things. her work is over by our meeting time so her data would not help, but perhaps their is another company that needs to keep track of that info, (campus police?) that would be willing to share their data with us? that said, steep and brew has one major draw back for me which is ambient noise. mostly the music, but also the stream of customers going to the restroom and the staff going to the storage area. it is not enough of a problem for me to bring it up in a vacuum, but since we are talking about location, maybe now is the time to mention it. some places have a room to the side, where the group has exclusive use and it's own volume control on the speakers. food available is a plus, but down on my list of priorities compared to accessible to all and good acoustics. some of our members are getting to the point that we don't see or hear as well as we used to. i can think of campus locations where parking and acoustics would be better, but would not have food service. i can think of central locations with food and parking, but not the separate room or good acoustics. if i work at it, perhaps i can come up with something. a room with a wireless access point would also be a plus, i know a coffee house on regent street that has free wireless and a very small room to the side. too small for us i believe. but others have to exist. and finally meeting content. just to put it out there, what do people think of the facilitator, normally steve k, bringing a stack of "topic slips" (and a spare pen) and asking people to write down topics they want to chat about, gathering them up, (handing a sheet to late comers: the instructions on it would ask to write down questions and turn it back in). the facilitator could review the questions, sort them based on the make up of the group (so and so is here he is an expert on this but leaves early so move it to the top, so and so is an expert on that, usually comes, but not here yet, move it to the bottom, this is of general interest, move it to the top, this is not, move it to the bottom). then move the meeting along and when a topic has run it's course introduce the next one. i worry about new/shy people, that have to come to many meetings before they get the hang of it, amd feel like they can open up and ask a question or answer one. certain meetings can be dominated by a few talking about things that are off of what i would call the topic of linux. other meetings break down to 3 or 4 side conversations and it is hard to hear all of them at once. i do not mind at all where the topics go, if nobody has anything linux related that they want to talk about but would like to see all of the linux questions dispatched first. thinking about it, we probably don't need to pass around papers, if the facilitator would ask the new people what questions they have and work them into the group. after you have come for a while, you figure out how to get your topic brought up, but it can be intimidating for a new person that does not want to rock the boat. they may not come back if the night is spent talking about hacking a play station when they were hoping to learn about linux. for those wondering, yes this is autobiograhical, i was brand new to linux and wanted to learn about it. i had to come to many meetings before i felt i could say anything. it was not a play station, but some other proprietary game platform and games in general that seemed to be the focus of my first 3 techno chats. i am glad i stuck it out, and feel that i now get a lot out of the group and that i am now able to contribute too. just my thoughts, yours will surely vary. From rferguson at voyager.net Mon Oct 28 07:51:15 2002 From: rferguson at voyager.net (raymond) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 09:51:15 -0400 Subject: Meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200210280851.15244.rferguson@voyager.net> Just to register my opinion: I don't really care. However, the occasional warning from people that live downtown or go to the UW about nasty events like homecoming, or bring a badger to state street night would be greately apreciated. -ray. On Sunday 27 October 2002 08:09 pm, Thomas Landmann wrote: > I'd be willing to try anything... Coffee is good. (Food would also be > good, if someone has a restaraunt idea!) > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: madlug-admin at madisonlinux.org > > [mailto:madlug-admin at madisonlinux.org]On Behalf Of snowfall > > Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 5:54 PM > > To: madlug at madisonlinux.org > > Subject: Re: Meeting > > > > > > On Sun, 27 Oct 2002 13:35:52 -0600 > > > > "Thomas Landmann" wrote: > > > Is there a > > > slightly off-campus location that would work for everyone? > > > > How about Speed Jump coffeehouse in the 900 block > > of E. Johnson St? It's on bus line, bike route, and > > there's free street parking within a block or two most > > of the time. It's not 100% handicap-accessible (2 steps > > up) if that's an issue. > > > > Some nights they have poetry readings etc so you > > might want to call first. Plenty of room, comfy > > couches etc, friendly management. > > > > MP > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Madlug mailing list - Madlug at madisonlinux.org > > http://www.madisonlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/madlug > > _______________________________________________ > Madlug mailing list - Madlug at madisonlinux.org > http://www.madisonlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/madlug -- Nothing can be done in one trip. -- Snider From bethenco at upl.cs.wisc.edu Mon Oct 28 09:50:33 2002 From: bethenco at upl.cs.wisc.edu (John Bethencourt) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 09:50:33 -0600 Subject: [Madlug] detecting users at the terminal Message-ID: <20021028155033.GA24218@upl.cs.wisc.edu> Hi everyone, I have a question. What I want to do is detect when users enter and leave a particular lab at the CS dept. here in UW (the Undergraduate Projects Laboratory, if you care). I would be sufficient to run a command when they log on to a machine in the lab and another when they log off. However, I want to ignore people who are logging in remotely; I'm only concerned with those sitting in front of a machine in the lab. Is there something I could put in /etc/profile that would be able to distinguish between users sitting at the terminal and remote users? What about for when they log off? Any tips are appreciated. John Bethencourt http://www.upl.cs.wisc.edu/~bethenco From johnk at chico.cosmo.net Sat Oct 26 15:11:32 2002 From: johnk at chico.cosmo.net (John Kelly) Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 15:11:32 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] Question on 'cpio' Message-ID: <200210261511.32722.johnk@chico.cosmo.net> Hi: I've got a question on video drivers install if there is anyone brave enough. I'm not not having much luck. I've been trying to install 3d nvidia drivers (kernel and GLX) for a Riva TNT 128 video card and I get the following, rather cryptic error message: rpm -ivh NVIDIA_kernel-1.0-3123.rh73up_2.4.18_10.i686.rpm Preparing... ########################################### [100%] 1:NVIDIA_kernel error: unpacking of archive failed on file /lib/modules/2.4.18-10/kernel/drivers/video/NVdriver;3dbad197: cpio: read I'm just wondering if the cpio read error indicates that the driver file is corrupt or there's just something wrong with my distro. All the driver files I've downloaded from nvidia echo similar probs on install, though the kernel drivers seem to go in quite nicely. Thanks in advance! John Kelly From bates at stat.wisc.edu Mon Oct 28 10:24:37 2002 From: bates at stat.wisc.edu (Douglas Bates) Date: 28 Oct 2002 10:24:37 -0600 Subject: [Madlug] detecting users at the terminal In-Reply-To: <20021028155033.GA24218@upl.cs.wisc.edu> References: <20021028155033.GA24218@upl.cs.wisc.edu> Message-ID: <6rsmyqo7ju.fsf@bates4.stat.wisc.edu> John Bethencourt writes: > What I want to do is detect when users enter and leave a particular lab at > the CS dept. here in UW (the Undergraduate Projects Laboratory, if you care). > I would be sufficient to run a command when they log on to a machine in the > lab and another when they log off. However, I want to ignore people who are > logging in remotely; I'm only concerned with those sitting in front of a > machine in the lab. > > Is there something I could put in /etc/profile that would be able to > distinguish between users sitting at the terminal and remote users? What > about for when they log off? Any tips are appreciated. I hate to suggest something so mundane but wouldn't it be easier to use the output from 'last' and check for the location being either through the local X console the tty's (not the pty's)? A login through xdm or whatever other session manager you use is usually recorded as ':0'. Remote logins are recorded as pts/n % last | head -2 bates :0 Mon Oct 28 07:52 still logged in bates pts/1 c-112200.cmdm.wi Sun Oct 27 21:18 - 21:19 (00:00) From martin-madlug at wonderfrog.net Mon Oct 28 12:18:46 2002 From: martin-madlug at wonderfrog.net (Martin A. Brown) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 12:18:46 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Madlug] detecting users at the terminal In-Reply-To: <20021028155033.GA24218@upl.cs.wisc.edu> Message-ID: Exactly how do users log in remotely? Only via ssh? If so, then try something like this: test "$SSH_TTY" = "" && logger -i -t local-login "$USER" You could always replace the logger command with something a bit more sophisticated if you want to do more than simply send the notice to syslog.... -Martin On Mon, 28 Oct 2002, John Bethencourt wrote: : Hi everyone, I have a question. : : What I want to do is detect when users enter and leave a particular lab at : the CS dept. here in UW (the Undergraduate Projects Laboratory, if you care). : I would be sufficient to run a command when they log on to a machine in the : lab and another when they log off. However, I want to ignore people who are : logging in remotely; I'm only concerned with those sitting in front of a : machine in the lab. : : Is there something I could put in /etc/profile that would be able to : distinguish between users sitting at the terminal and remote users? What : about for when they log off? Any tips are appreciated. : : John Bethencourt : : http://www.upl.cs.wisc.edu/~bethenco : : _______________________________________________ : Madlug mailing list - Madlug at madisonlinux.org : http://www.madisonlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/madlug : : -- Martin A. Brown --- Wonderfrog Enterprises --- martin at wonderfrog.net From bethenco at upl.cs.wisc.edu Mon Oct 28 13:22:23 2002 From: bethenco at upl.cs.wisc.edu (John Bethencourt) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 13:22:23 -0600 Subject: [Madlug] detecting users at the terminal In-Reply-To: <20021028155033.GA24218@upl.cs.wisc.edu> References: <20021028155033.GA24218@upl.cs.wisc.edu> Message-ID: <20021028192223.GA26741@upl.cs.wisc.edu> Thanks for all the useful replies. One of those ought to solve the problem of detecting when they log in. Any ideas about how to detect when they log out? John Bethencourt On Mon, Oct 28, 2002 at 09:50:33AM -0600, John Bethencourt wrote: > Hi everyone, I have a question. > > What I want to do is detect when users enter and leave a particular lab at > the CS dept. here in UW (the Undergraduate Projects Laboratory, if you care). > I would be sufficient to run a command when they log on to a machine in the > lab and another when they log off. However, I want to ignore people who are > logging in remotely; I'm only concerned with those sitting in front of a > machine in the lab. > > Is there something I could put in /etc/profile that would be able to > distinguish between users sitting at the terminal and remote users? What > about for when they log off? Any tips are appreciated. > > John Bethencourt > > http://www.upl.cs.wisc.edu/~bethenco > > _______________________________________________ > Madlug mailing list - Madlug at madisonlinux.org > http://www.madisonlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/madlug From will at upl.cs.wisc.edu Mon Oct 28 13:30:13 2002 From: will at upl.cs.wisc.edu (Will McDonald) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 13:30:13 -0600 Subject: [Madlug] detecting users at the terminal In-Reply-To: <20021028192223.GA26741@upl.cs.wisc.edu> References: <20021028155033.GA24218@upl.cs.wisc.edu> <20021028192223.GA26741@upl.cs.wisc.edu> Message-ID: <20021028193013.GG24515@cs.wisc.edu> On Mon, Oct 28, 2002 at 01:22:23PM -0600, John Bethencourt wrote: > Thanks for all the useful replies. One of those ought to solve the problem of > detecting when they log in. Any ideas about how to detect when they log out? What is the application here? The solution I provided was based upon each person running it from (/etc/|~/.)profile. If that is the case, they could have something in their .logout. If, as I suspect, you want to find out if someone is physically in the lab (without looking at the camera), I writing a simple daemon script (perl!) that periodically (1 min, etc) runs `who` and figures out (based on (:0) or tty) whether someone is there) and does what you want. The downside here is that you'd have to run it on all the machines, and none of this works for the windows machines. -w -- ---------Will McDonald-----------------will at upl.cs.wisc.edu---------- GPG encrypted mail preferred. Join the web-o-trust! Key ID: F4332B28 From scayford at tds.net Mon Oct 28 14:10:14 2002 From: scayford at tds.net (scayford at tds.net) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 14:10:14 -0600 Subject: [Madlug] detecting users at the terminal In-Reply-To: <20021028193013.GG24515@cs.wisc.edu> Message-ID: <4554BE33-EAB1-11D6-9EF5-003065ECC2BC@tds.net> > > If, as I suspect, you want to find out if someone is physically in the > lab (without looking at the camera), I writing a simple daemon script > (perl!) that periodically (1 min, etc) runs `who` and figures out > (based > on (:0) or tty) whether someone is there) and does what you want. The > downside here is that you'd have to run it on all the machines, and > none > of this works for the windows machines. Or use rwho / rwhod. -SteveC From ricko73 at yahoo.com Mon Oct 28 14:14:22 2002 From: ricko73 at yahoo.com (Hartman Darrick) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 12:14:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Madlug] Dynamic IP addresses Message-ID: <20021028201422.73550.qmail@web12507.mail.yahoo.com> I have charter internet access at home. I'm using a linksys router/firewall to split the access to a few computers. I'm wondering if there is a program which can get the IP address of the cable modem and upload that to a webpage so I could then ssh into my machine from another location. If I'm at home, I can surf into the Linksys box and get the address on the screen, write it down and take it with me, but that automagically updates every 48 hours. Thanks, Darrick __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From will at upl.cs.wisc.edu Mon Oct 28 14:19:01 2002 From: will at upl.cs.wisc.edu (Will McDonald) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 14:19:01 -0600 Subject: [Madlug] Dynamic IP addresses In-Reply-To: <20021028201422.73550.qmail@web12507.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20021028201422.73550.qmail@web12507.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20021028201901.GK24515@cs.wisc.edu> I'd recommend getting a dyndns.org account (I hope still free). You can then be yourname.dyndns.org. You then can run a client like ddclient on your machine that figures our your real IP (via a variety of means) and sends it to dyndns, which updates your DNS record. I was surprised to find dyndns access built into my router after I upgraded its firmware, so now I don't need a client daemon anymore. -w On Mon, Oct 28, 2002 at 12:14:22PM -0800, Hartman Darrick wrote: > I have charter internet access at home. I'm using a > linksys router/firewall to split the access to a few > computers. I'm wondering if there is a program which > can get the IP address of the cable modem and upload > that to a webpage so I could then ssh into my machine > from another location. If I'm at home, I can surf > into the Linksys box and get the address on the > screen, write it down and take it with me, but that > automagically updates every 48 hours. -- ---------Will McDonald-----------------will at upl.cs.wisc.edu---------- GPG encrypted mail preferred. Join the web-o-trust! Key ID: F4332B28 From sterling at sterlinganderson.net Mon Oct 28 14:52:41 2002 From: sterling at sterlinganderson.net (Sterling Anderson) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 14:52:41 -0600 Subject: [Madlug] Dynamic IP addresses In-Reply-To: <20021028201901.GK24515@cs.wisc.edu> References: <20021028201422.73550.qmail@web12507.mail.yahoo.com> <20021028201901.GK24515@cs.wisc.edu> Message-ID: <20021028205240.GA8665@sterlinganderson.net> Will McDonald had this to say on Mon, Oct 28, 2002 at 02:19:01PM -0600 > I was surprised to find dyndns access built into my router after I > upgraded its firmware, so now I don't need a client daemon anymore. > What kind of router do you have? ^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^ Sterling Anderson -- sterling at sterlinganderson.net http://sterlinganderson.net Bender: "Oh my God, I'm so excited I wish I could wet my pants." ^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^ From will at upl.cs.wisc.edu Mon Oct 28 14:57:42 2002 From: will at upl.cs.wisc.edu (Will McDonald) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 14:57:42 -0600 Subject: [Madlug] Dynamic IP addresses In-Reply-To: <20021028205240.GA8665@sterlinganderson.net> References: <20021028201422.73550.qmail@web12507.mail.yahoo.com> <20021028201901.GK24515@cs.wisc.edu> <20021028205240.GA8665@sterlinganderson.net> Message-ID: <20021028205742.GO24515@cs.wisc.edu> On Mon, Oct 28, 2002 at 02:52:41PM -0600, Sterling Anderson wrote: > > I was surprised to find dyndns access built into my router after I > > upgraded its firmware, so now I don't need a client daemon anymore. > What kind of router do you have? A D-Link di713p (Wirless,router,switch,print_server), though I don't really recommend it. It used to randomly drop wireless access and still randomly loses net connectivity (which, to be fair, may be entirely the fault of charter). The newest firmware that enabled the dyndns stuff (and had a bunch of cool features) broke my girlfriend's iBook wireless. Still investigating. -- ---------Will McDonald-----------------will at upl.cs.wisc.edu---------- GPG encrypted mail preferred. Join the web-o-trust! Key ID: F4332B28 From dave at weccusa.org Mon Oct 28 15:25:47 2002 From: dave at weccusa.org (David W. Jablonski) Date: 28 Oct 2002 15:25:47 -0600 Subject: [Madlug] On the topic of routers and Charter... Message-ID: <1035840348.6218.69.camel@opiate.weccusa.org> Is anyone else experiencing semi-random disconnects from Charter? Just have a linux box setup as a router/nat device and for some unknown reason every wk/2wks I just lose connection though I still have my dynamically assigned address. I have to restart networking to reset my address since using either the pump client or dhcpcd doesn't work. Kernel version doesn't matter. Happens with my 2.0 kernels using pump as much as 2.4 using dhcpcd on different distros also. Also happens at 2 different locations. P.S. Never happened when I was on @HOME so I'm confident it's a Charter Pipeline issue. Any suggestions or solutions would be much appreciated. thanks... -- David W. Jablonski, RHCE, MCSE Systems Administrator http://www.weccusa.org http://www.energyfinancesolutions.com From mtinberg at securepipe.com Mon Oct 28 15:34:27 2002 From: mtinberg at securepipe.com (Mark Tinberg) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 15:34:27 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Madlug] On the topic of routers and Charter... In-Reply-To: <1035840348.6218.69.camel@opiate.weccusa.org> Message-ID: On 28 Oct 2002, David W. Jablonski wrote: > Is anyone else experiencing semi-random disconnects from Charter? Just Just to make sure the obvious is covered, you are leaving pump or dhcpcd running all the time, right? A dhcp client needs to be a daemon so that it can keep your lease updated. You should see periodic messages in /var/log to that effect every hour or so. -- Mark Tinberg Network Security Engineer, SecurePipe Inc. Remember: Wherever you go, there you are! Key fingerprint = AF6B 0294 EE33 D802 F7A1 38A4 CF52 5FE0 7470 E5F7 Your daily fortune . . . Matter cannot be created or destroyed, nor can it be returned without a receipt. From kpatenaude at yahoo.com Mon Oct 28 15:37:47 2002 From: kpatenaude at yahoo.com (Kenny Patenaude) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 13:37:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Madlug] Dynamic IP addresses In-Reply-To: <20021028201422.73550.qmail@web12507.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20021028213747.13526.qmail@web11501.mail.yahoo.com> 192.168.100.1 will send you to a web interface to look at the Cable Modem setup. I also have had the same problem with Red Hat linux just dropping the connection to the Internet via Charter. After a reboot it worked fine. --- Hartman Darrick wrote: > I have charter internet access at home. I'm using a > linksys router/firewall to split the access to a few > computers. I'm wondering if there is a program > which > can get the IP address of the cable modem and upload > that to a webpage so I could then ssh into my > machine > from another location. If I'm at home, I can surf > into the Linksys box and get the address on the > screen, write it down and take it with me, but that > automagically updates every 48 hours. > > > Thanks, > > Darrick > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site > http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Madlug mailing list - Madlug at madisonlinux.org > http://www.madisonlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/madlug ===== Kenny Patenaude kpatenaude at yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From spiritlover666 at yahoo.com Mon Oct 28 15:39:09 2002 From: spiritlover666 at yahoo.com (Staci) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 13:39:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Madlug] On the topic of routers and Charter... In-Reply-To: <1035840348.6218.69.camel@opiate.weccusa.org> Message-ID: <20021028213909.39406.qmail@web12801.mail.yahoo.com> Yup. The modem-tech said it's cuz they have WAY too many people in the downtown area. They apparently really didn't have the hardware set up for the mass-quantity of students that wanted cable-modems this fall, and it's taking them quite a while to get it all straightened out. the time-frame he gave me was another week and a half til they get some stuff implemented, and a month til they get the rest done. My method for re-connecting is to ps ax, kill dhcpd and ifconfig eth0 down, and then copy old process command-info from ps ax (to get the correct flags, since I never use dhcpd by hand) and restart it and then ifconfig eth0 up. (not sure if that's what you meant by restarting networking) Oh, and when you restart dhcpd, it'll prompt you to delete the .pid file, it's no big deal. All I can say is at least it's intermittent. Mine was (as some of you know) down for a week and a half at one point, with no tv and no modem. I value my access far more now. :P staci --- "David W. Jablonski" wrote: > Is anyone else experiencing semi-random disconnects from Charter? Just > have a linux box setup as a router/nat device and for some unknown > reason every wk/2wks I just lose connection though I still have my > dynamically assigned address. I have to restart networking to reset my > address since using either the pump client or dhcpcd doesn't work. > Kernel version doesn't matter. Happens with my 2.0 kernels using pump > as much as 2.4 using dhcpcd on different distros also. Also happens at > 2 different locations. > > P.S. Never happened when I was on @HOME so I'm confident it's a Charter > Pipeline issue. > > Any suggestions or solutions would be much appreciated. > > thanks... > > -- > David W. Jablonski, RHCE, MCSE > Systems Administrator > http://www.weccusa.org > http://www.energyfinancesolutions.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Madlug mailing list - Madlug at madisonlinux.org > http://www.madisonlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/madlug ===== ***************************************** In cyberspace nobody can hear you scream. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH! __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From dave at weccusa.org Mon Oct 28 15:40:42 2002 From: dave at weccusa.org (David W. Jablonski) Date: 28 Oct 2002 15:40:42 -0600 Subject: [Madlug] On the topic of routers and Charter... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1035841242.6218.94.camel@opiate.weccusa.org> Yes. I'll have to look at my logs closer to see if I'm missing anything but nothing looked wrong in my log files. I'm using metalog and frankly I don't like it very much so I'll probably be switching to syslog-ng soon. Though I'll recheck my logfiles just to make sure I cover all the bases. On Mon, 2002-10-28 at 15:34, Mark Tinberg wrote: > On 28 Oct 2002, David W. Jablonski wrote: > > > Is anyone else experiencing semi-random disconnects from Charter? Just > > Just to make sure the obvious is covered, you are leaving pump or dhcpcd > running all the time, right? A dhcp client needs to be a daemon so that > it can keep your lease updated. You should see periodic messages in > /var/log to that effect every hour or so. > > -- > Mark Tinberg > Network Security Engineer, SecurePipe Inc. > Remember: Wherever you go, there you are! > Key fingerprint = AF6B 0294 EE33 D802 F7A1 38A4 CF52 5FE0 7470 E5F7 > > Your daily fortune . . . > > Matter cannot be created or destroyed, nor can it be returned without a receipt. > -- David W. Jablonski, RHCE, MCSE Systems Administrator http://www.weccusa.org http://www.energyfinancesolutions.com From director at chpi.org Mon Oct 28 15:56:02 2002 From: director at chpi.org (John J. Boyer) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 15:56:02 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Madlug] On the topic of routers and Charter... In-Reply-To: <1035840348.6218.69.camel@opiate.weccusa.org> Message-ID: Hello, We use TDS Metrocom here for our office, and have never had trouble except when they were having problems with their lines. That was at least three months ago. John On 28 Oct 2002, David W. Jablonski wrote: > Is anyone else experiencing semi-random disconnects from Charter? Just > have a linux box setup as a router/nat device and for some unknown > reason every wk/2wks I just lose connection though I still have my > dynamically assigned address. I have to restart networking to reset my > address since using either the pump client or dhcpcd doesn't work. > Kernel version doesn't matter. Happens with my 2.0 kernels using pump > as much as 2.4 using dhcpcd on different distros also. Also happens at > 2 different locations. > > P.S. Never happened when I was on @HOME so I'm confident it's a Charter > Pipeline issue. > > Any suggestions or solutions would be much appreciated. > > thanks... > > -- Computers to Help People, Inc. http://www.chpi.org 825 East Johnson; Madison, WI 53703 From rhayden at geek.net Mon Oct 28 16:04:37 2002 From: rhayden at geek.net (Robert A. Hayden) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 16:04:37 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Madlug] On the topic of routers and Charter... In-Reply-To: <1035840348.6218.69.camel@opiate.weccusa.org> Message-ID: I've been having my charter pipeline go down for about 15-25 minutes about once a day in the afternoon all last week and the weekend before. It would start with latency and dropped packets and then just die. About the time I'd get irritated enough and call the 800 number, it would be magically back up. On 28 Oct 2002, David W. Jablonski wrote: > Is anyone else experiencing semi-random disconnects from Charter? Just > have a linux box setup as a router/nat device and for some unknown > reason every wk/2wks I just lose connection though I still have my > dynamically assigned address. I have to restart networking to reset my > address since using either the pump client or dhcpcd doesn't work. > Kernel version doesn't matter. Happens with my 2.0 kernels using pump > as much as 2.4 using dhcpcd on different distros also. Also happens at > 2 different locations. > > P.S. Never happened when I was on @HOME so I'm confident it's a Charter > Pipeline issue. > > Any suggestions or solutions would be much appreciated. > > thanks... > > From chris at hddesign.com Mon Oct 28 16:22:31 2002 From: chris at hddesign.com (Chris Meyers) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 16:22:31 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Madlug] On the topic of routers and Charter... In-Reply-To: References: <1035840348.6218.69.camel@opiate.weccusa.org> Message-ID: <64415.192.168.1.254.1035843751.squirrel@mail.hddesign.com> I've been having problems as well lately. Normally the underpowered signal coming into my building has been the problem, but these latest outages have been on Charter's end rather than my end. I would suggest calling even if your service does come back up. From what I have been told by the many techs that have come out to inspect my problems, they need lots of people to complain before they will properly fix the problem. Chris Thus Spake Robert A. Hayden > I've been having my charter pipeline go down for about 15-25 minutes > about once a day in the afternoon all last week and the weekend before. > It would start with latency and dropped packets and then just die. > About the time I'd get irritated enough and call the 800 number, it > would be magically back up. > > On 28 Oct 2002, David W. Jablonski wrote: > >> Is anyone else experiencing semi-random disconnects from Charter? >> Just >> have a linux box setup as a router/nat device and for some unknown >> reason every wk/2wks I just lose connection though I still have my >> dynamically assigned address. I have to restart networking to reset >> my address since using either the pump client or dhcpcd doesn't work. >> Kernel version doesn't matter. Happens with my 2.0 kernels using pump >> as much as 2.4 using dhcpcd on different distros also. Also happens >> at 2 different locations. >> >> P.S. Never happened when I was on @HOME so I'm confident it's a >> Charter Pipeline issue. >> >> Any suggestions or solutions would be much appreciated. >> >> thanks... >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Madlug mailing list - Madlug at madisonlinux.org > http://www.madisonlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/madlug From ricko73 at yahoo.com Mon Oct 28 16:23:59 2002 From: ricko73 at yahoo.com (Hartman Darrick) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 14:23:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Madlug] On the topic of routers and Charter... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20021028222359.19565.qmail@web12502.mail.yahoo.com> Neo...they're watching you. Follow the white rabbit. --- "Robert A. Hayden" wrote: > then just die. About the > time I'd get irritated enough and call the 800 > number, it would be > magically back up. FWIW, I haven't had a problem with Charter's Pipeline service for about 2 years excluding nasty storms. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From ted at hiegel.net Mon Oct 28 18:00:02 2002 From: ted at hiegel.net (Ted Cohen) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 18:00:02 -0600 Subject: [Madlug] router dyndns support In-Reply-To: <20021028213501.14408.10854.Mailman@franz.stat.wisc.edu> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021028174746.03027b30@192.168.2.162> >From: Sterling Anderson >To: Madlug List >Subject: Re: [Madlug] Dynamic IP addresses >> I was surprised to find dyndns access built into my router after I >> upgraded its firmware, so now I don't need a client daemon anymore. >> >What kind of router do you have? the netgear FVS318 ships with support for several dynamic dns services included in the firmware. i wory that the services will go out of business leaving that part of the fimware orphaned. i have not tested the feature as i pay a high monthly rent for a static ip address and have not needed to. the router also has built in ipsec, (client and server, 10 connections max), firewall, nat, dmz, pppoe client, virtual servers. it seems to work ok, but not a particular speed demon. web and optional basic telnet configuration. a few minor bugs, but they actually work on them, unlike the vendors that are too busy bringing the next product to market to fix the problems with what they have already sold. kind of a first of breed in the soho vpn router market. i expect more and better down the road. From amanda at kepley.us Mon Oct 28 19:00:49 2002 From: amanda at kepley.us (Amanda Kepley) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 19:00:49 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Madlug] On the topic of routers and Charter... In-Reply-To: <1035840348.6218.69.camel@opiate.weccusa.org> Message-ID: I've been having a lot of trouble too. (Network was down late last week. Icq didn't work for about a day this weekend.) However, when I called them up to complain, they did credit my account for the downtime. Amanda -- Amanda Kepley From andy at pork00.net Mon Oct 28 21:10:36 2002 From: andy at pork00.net (Andy Koch) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 21:10:36 -0600 Subject: [Madlug] On the topic of routers and Charter... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Its not just the Downtown hub either, their Fitchburg/Mazo hub also goes down periodically. Usually once or twice a week. When I notice it, I usually check the log on my cable modem and see that the modem has reset. Andy Koch andy at pork00.net From moody at mwt.net Tue Oct 29 07:48:47 2002 From: moody at mwt.net (Moody Ahmad) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 07:48:47 -0600 Subject: [Madlug] Question on 'cpio' Message-ID: <3DBE91BF.7080002@mwt.net> John, I had exactly the same problem last week, i.e., corrupt rpms downloaded. There seems to be something about the Nvidia site as far as I can tell. I redownloaded the rpms and they worked fine. One way to check if the the rpm you have downloaded is good is rpm2cpio. Then use cpio to unpack it to see if all the pieces are in there. Moody From eahagglun at yahoo.com Tue Oct 29 10:52:00 2002 From: eahagglun at yahoo.com (ehagglun) Date: 29 Oct 2002 10:52:00 -0600 Subject: [Madlug] mounting problems on Mandrake 9.0 Message-ID: <1035910321.28297.14.camel@dts.godrights.org> I have been having problems with mounting two pieces of hardware since I upgraded to Mandrake 9.0 from 8.1 on an x86-based pc. Please forgive me if my information is incomplete as I have just begun troubleshooting (although my beginning has lasted a day or two). My hope is that if someone else has run into this, I can get an answer without forcing people to read through too much verbiage. If not, I can add more information as needed. That being said, this is what I'm running into: Problem 1: When I try to run xcdroast both from the GUI and the command line, I get an error telling me that my scsi bus changed. Sure enough, where before my cdrom was under /dev/scd0 under this version of Mandrake, the device file is now linked to a much longer path that goes something like /dev/scsi/[ungodly]/[long]/[and]/[obscure]/[path]/[to]/[frickin']/[device]. I have tried dinking around with the permissions on the actual device file, but to no avail. I still cannot get the application to mount the cdrom correctly. Problem 2: This same application says that it's trying to mount my zip drive instead. Again, I checked the device files and found that my previous device file, /dev/sda4 has been symlinked to /dev/scsi/[another ungodly]/[long]/[and]/[obscure]/[path]/[to]/[frickin']/[device] Problem 3: I checked the mtab and fstab files and they were not updated. Subsequently, my initial attempts to mount these devices failed. I initially worked around the problem by editing these files with the correct paths. This worked for using the mount command, but the applications I'm using still want the other device names. As I said this is the short version. Does anyone know what I have to do to fix this? My mtab and fstab files are attached. Thanks Eric -------------- next part -------------- /dev/hda1 / ext3 rw 0 0 none /proc proc rw 0 0 none /proc/bus/usb usbdevfs rw 0 0 none /dev devfs rw 0 0 none /dev/pts devpts rw,mode=0620 0 0 none /dev/shm tmpfs rw 0 0 /dev/hda7 /home ext3 rw 0 0 /dev/hdb1 /mnt/windows ext3 rw 0 0 /dev/hda6 /usr ext3 rw 0 0 /dev/scd0 /mnt/cdrom auto user,iocharset=iso8859-1,codepage=850,noauto,ro,umask=0,exec 0 0 /dev/sda /mnt/sda4 auto user,exec,nodev,nosuid,rw,unhide 0 0 -------------- next part -------------- /dev/hda1 / ext3 defaults 1 1 none /dev/pts devpts mode=0620 0 0 none /dev/shm tmpfs defaults 0 0 /dev/hda7 /home ext3 defaults 1 2 /dev/scd0 /mnt/cdrom auto user,iocharset=iso8859-1,codepage=850,noauto,ro,umask=0,exec 0 0 /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy auto user,iocharset=iso8859-1,umask=0,sync,exec,codepage=850,noauto 0 0 /dev/sda /mnt/sda4 auto user,exec,nodev,nosuid,rw,unhide 0 0 /dev/hdb1 /mnt/windows ext3 defaults 1 2 none /proc proc defaults 0 0 /dev/hda6 /usr ext3 defaults 1 2 From carder at cae.wisc.edu Wed Oct 30 11:29:53 2002 From: carder at cae.wisc.edu (Dale W. Carder) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 11:29:53 -0600 Subject: [Madlug] mail clients Message-ID: <20021030112952.C9723@cae.wisc.edu> This may or may not sounds absurd, but does anyone know of a mail client that could understand mailboxes stored on an SQL server? Right now, I am using procmail to sort things into different mailboxes, but due to the volume of email I get, it isn't really enough and I am constantly switching mailboxes. Instead, it makes more sence to me to put mail into a database and mine it out appropriately like: SELECT * FROM email WHERE sender=my_father at whereever.com AND date_recieved > '5/1/2002' AND message_body LIKE 'money'; The searching in mutt doesn't seem the most capable (especially on sent messages for some reason) and there is also a severe performance penalty with my inbox alone around 800 messages a month. If there were a better way to look at data at one time, I think this would be it. Any hints before I end up writing this myself? Dale From johnk at ecol.net Wed Oct 30 13:39:21 2002 From: johnk at ecol.net (John Timothy Kelly) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 13:39:21 -0600 Subject: [Madlug] Any thoughts? Message-ID: <3DC03569.6000308@ecol.net> Hi: Just wondering if anyone had observations or thoughts on the following article entitled: "How Industry Intends To Kill The InterNet As We Know It" By Jeff Chester Executive Director http://www.democraticmedia.org/ Center for Digital Democracy 10-30-2 Here's the link: http://www.rense.com/general31/intne.htm The abstract is that the Cable industry intends to do the same thing for broadband internet access (and the internet) as what it has done for television. My first thought is that they have to get it to work consistently. I've read on this group and heard on the vine that Charter is down fairly reliably. Called up once about the subscription and got a message that informed customers the network was out from Green Bay to Milwaukee. There was no hint as to when it might be back up again. At any rate, thought I'd toss this one Mad-Town way. Cheers, -- John Kelly -------------------------- Your daily Fortune Cookie: -------------------------- "Humor is a drug which it's the fashion to abuse." -- William Gilbert --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From db at bogen.org Wed Oct 30 15:42:13 2002 From: db at bogen.org (David Bogen) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 15:42:13 -0600 Subject: [Madlug] mail clients In-Reply-To: <20021030112952.C9723@cae.wisc.edu> References: <20021030112952.C9723@cae.wisc.edu> Message-ID: <200210301542.25452.db@bogen.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Instead of writing a new mail client, maybe you should consider writing an emulation layer between a mail client and the sql database. That is, write a shim in ${the_language_of_your_choice} that speaks IMAP to a mail client and SQL to a database. That seems like it would be less effort than writing a new mail client. You could then switch mail clients easily, if you choose, because the mail client would think that it is talking to an IMAP server. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, the shim would be busy taking IMAP requests, translating them into SQL statements, taking SQL results, and passing those results back in the form of valid IMAP responses to the mail client. The SQL db would then be completely invisible. If you don't like showing all 800 messages that you get in a month, you could write in a limitation into the shim that only shows messages received in the last ten days that are filed in your "inbox" during an IMAP request for the same. Or just write it into your shim that only x-number of records are returned as messages in your "inbox" when requested via IMAP. You would also need a shim written in ${the_language_of_your_choice} that can accept mail being piped in on stdin from a .forward file to insert the mail into the database. Of course, this doesn't solve your searching issues, but once the mail is in the database, you can solve those with sql statements like the one you've written below. Heck, even a well crafted CGI in ${the_language_of_your_choice} would make those SQL statements routine. Another option would be to use a better tool to search your existing mbox files. agrep might help you there: On Wednesday 30 October 2002 11:29 am, Dale W. Carder wrote: > This may or may not sounds absurd, but does anyone know of a mail client > that could understand mailboxes stored on an SQL server? > > Right now, I am using procmail to sort things into different mailboxes, > but due to the volume of email I get, it isn't really enough and I am > constantly switching mailboxes. Instead, it makes more sence to me to > put mail into a database and mine it out appropriately like: > > SELECT * FROM email WHERE sender=my_father at whereever.com AND > date_recieved > '5/1/2002' AND message_body LIKE 'money'; > > The searching in mutt doesn't seem the most capable (especially on sent > messages for some reason) and there is also a severe performance penalty > with my inbox alone around 800 messages a month. If there were a better > way to look at data at one time, I think this would be it. > > Any hints before I end up writing this myself? > > Dale > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: GnuPG signature at: http://www.bogen.org/gpg.html iD8DBQE9wFI4XX5Ne1HSCb8RAk9xAKC7FwoSu6Qc8lkSxPjO8bsT1TVH7gCfeamC Awc712o1nvkhdNMHr3+sgW4= =9PRp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From will at upl.cs.wisc.edu Wed Oct 30 15:52:49 2002 From: will at upl.cs.wisc.edu (Will McDonald) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 15:52:49 -0600 Subject: [Madlug] mail clients In-Reply-To: <200210301542.25452.db@bogen.org> References: <20021030112952.C9723@cae.wisc.edu> <200210301542.25452.db@bogen.org> Message-ID: <20021030215249.GA6181@cs.wisc.edu> On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 03:42:13PM -0600, David Bogen wrote: > Instead of writing a new mail client, maybe you should consider writing an > emulation layer between a mail client and the sql database. That is, write > a shim in ${the_language_of_your_choice} that speaks IMAP to a mail client > and SQL to a database. 1) This would be very cool, if it doesn't exist (for free) already. I'm sure lots of people would like something like this. This would require writing (or finding) engines for SMTP and IMAP, but I'm guessing that there are free libraries out there for this stuff. 2) You don't want to write a mail client. I was on the mutt-devel list for a while, and while mutt is a great program, it still is having lots of work done on it and it's been around since 1995. The worst thing that could happen to you and your program is people using it. :) 3) It sounds like you want something like Zoe. I haven't used it, but it is basically an intelligent index and search agent (google) for your mail. http://guests.evectors.it/zoe/itstories/story.php?data=stories&num=16&sec=1 http://guests.evectors.it/zoe/ -- ---------Will McDonald-----------------will at upl.cs.wisc.edu---------- GPG encrypted mail preferred. Join the web-o-trust! Key ID: F4332B28 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.madisonlinux.org/pipermail/madlug/attachments/20021030/4d851fe1/attachment.pgp From scayford at tds.net Sun Oct 27 13:40:15 2002 From: scayford at tds.net (scayford at tds.net) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 13:40:15 -0600 Subject: Meeting In-Reply-To: <20021027190915.77455.qmail@web12806.mail.yahoo.com>; from spiritlover666@yahoo.com on Sun, Oct 27, 2002 at 13:09:15 -0600 References: <20021027190915.77455.qmail@web12806.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20021027194015.GA10636@isaiah.dafarafet.net> On 2002.10.27 13:09:15 -0600 Staci wrote: > Er no, I'm not confused. Ah. Then I was. Never mind. Disregard... -SteveC From snowfall at mailbag.com Wed Oct 30 19:25:04 2002 From: snowfall at mailbag.com (snowfall) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 19:25:04 -0600 Subject: [Madlug] Any thoughts? In-Reply-To: <3DC03569.6000308@ecol.net> References: <3DC03569.6000308@ecol.net> Message-ID: <20021030192504.5da67eff.snowfall@mailbag.com> On Wed, 30 Oct 2002 13:39:21 -0600 John Timothy Kelly wrote: > . . . > The abstract is that the Cable industry intends to do the same thing for > broadband internet access (and the internet) as what it has done for > television. on A Public Affair this week WORT had two guests discussing this same issue: the Washington lobbyist for a coalition of small ISPs and Barry Orton (sp?) from the UW who tracks the phone and internet companies. Apparently there are bills in the works to prevent smaller ISPs from getting access and good rates on phone lines, and more. Hope someone else heard this and can offer a more detailed description -- I was at work and was listening with half an ear but it didn't sound good. The idea (of course) was to strangle smaller companies so finally we all have to use the biggies for access. MP From hardburn at runbox.com Wed Oct 30 21:38:57 2002 From: hardburn at runbox.com (Timm Murray) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 22:38:57 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] mail clients In-Reply-To: <20021030112952.C9723@cae.wisc.edu> References: <20021030112952.C9723@cae.wisc.edu> Message-ID: <200210302139.02008.hardburn@runbox.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 30 October 2002 11:29, Dale W. Carder wrote: > This may or may not sounds absurd, but does anyone know of a mail client > that could understand mailboxes stored on an SQL server? > > Right now, I am using procmail to sort things into different mailboxes, but > due to the volume of email I get, it isn't really enough and I am > constantly switching mailboxes. Instead, it makes more sence to me to put > mail into a database and mine it out appropriately like: > > SELECT * FROM email WHERE sender=my_father at whereever.com AND date_recieved > > '5/1/2002' AND message_body LIKE 'money'; > > The searching in mutt doesn't seem the most capable (especially on sent > messages for some reason) and there is also a severe performance penalty > with my inbox alone around 800 messages a month. If there were a better > way to look at data at one time, I think this would be it. > > Any hints before I end up writing this myself? There was an MUA called "GMail" that did just that, but it seems to have dissapeared. - -- There are two major products that come out of Berkeley: LSD and BSD. We don't believe this to be a coincidence. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAj3ApdMACgkQqpueKcacfLRB7wCfauhvD9sjMWdER0DBP6lEzx1L hHkAnA3VaLbO7zO0dExdN3jtTJvGkHYV =oQyU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From hardburn at runbox.com Wed Oct 30 21:54:14 2002 From: hardburn at runbox.com (Timm Murray) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 22:54:14 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] Any thoughts? In-Reply-To: <3DC03569.6000308@ecol.net> References: <3DC03569.6000308@ecol.net> Message-ID: <200210302154.17859.hardburn@runbox.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 30 October 2002 13:39, John Timothy Kelly wrote: > Hi: > Just wondering if anyone had observations or thoughts on the following > article entitled: > "How Industry Intends To Kill The InterNet As We Know It" > By Jeff Chester > Executive Director > http://www.democraticmedia.org/ > Center for Digital Democracy > 10-30-2 > > Here's the link: > http://www.rense.com/general31/intne.htm > > The abstract is that the Cable industry intends to do the same thing for > broadband internet access (and the internet) as what it has done for > television. <> I have little doubt they would like a monopoly on the Internet. All corporations in a capitalist system do. The trick is that capitalism is supposed to bring the best products to the top through compitition. In this case, the cable companies already have a head start on everyone else. We've reached the limit of what can be done with dial-up, ISDN isn't really fast enough, sattilite links are usually one-way, expensive, and have high lag, and DSL and wireless links have range limitations. Cable modems are simply the only broadband solution in many areas. But if Charter had any compitition, they would be crushed. The real danger here is that the current cable companies will leverage their current position to keep out broadband solutions. It is reasonable to expect that Charter may one day refuse regular cable TV service to people who use a seperate broadband provider. Personally, I don't watch much TV anymore (since they cancelled Farscape *SOB*), so I say screw 'em, but that would be enough to keep most people away from alternatives. Our only hope here is that the cable companies are state-sponsered monopolies, and therefore are also state-regulated. - -- Linux Beer: A recipe orginally created by a drunken Finn in his basement, it has since become the home-brew of choice for impecunious brewers and Unix beer-lovers worldwide, many of whom charge for the recipe. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAj3AqWkACgkQqpueKcacfLRqiACdFCPZOMpEeWeGoOPk/NZTJaNE bzQAn17fpLX9xdBMuWUQxmIWSFe8Asaz =hWzt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From sephtin at techgodz.com Thu Oct 31 02:20:09 2002 From: sephtin at techgodz.com (John) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 02:20:09 -0600 Subject: [Madlug] Any thoughts? References: <3DC03569.6000308@ecol.net> <200210302154.17859.hardburn@runbox.com> Message-ID: <000c01c280b6$54229170$6401a8c0@john> When I got rid of my cable modem and got DSL (Can't believe Charter gets away with blocking ports 80, 25, 21, etc.), They had a deal: You get a 10$ discount on service if you have both Cable TV and Broadband. That's currently one of the methods they are using to leverage their service over others.... John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Timm Murray" To: "madlug" Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 9:54 PM Subject: Re: [Madlug] Any thoughts? > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Wednesday 30 October 2002 13:39, John Timothy Kelly wrote: > > Hi: > > Just wondering if anyone had observations or thoughts on the following > > article entitled: > > "How Industry Intends To Kill The InterNet As We Know It" > > By Jeff Chester > > Executive Director > > http://www.democraticmedia.org/ > > Center for Digital Democracy > > 10-30-2 > > > > Here's the link: > > http://www.rense.com/general31/intne.htm > > > > The abstract is that the Cable industry intends to do the same thing for > > broadband internet access (and the internet) as what it has done for > > television. > <> > > I have little doubt they would like a monopoly on the Internet. All > corporations in a capitalist system do. The trick is that capitalism is > supposed to bring the best products to the top through compitition. In this > case, the cable companies already have a head start on everyone else. We've > reached the limit of what can be done with dial-up, ISDN isn't really fast > enough, sattilite links are usually one-way, expensive, and have high lag, > and DSL and wireless links have range limitations. Cable modems are simply > the only broadband solution in many areas. But if Charter had any > compitition, they would be crushed. > > The real danger here is that the current cable companies will leverage their > current position to keep out broadband solutions. It is reasonable to expect > that Charter may one day refuse regular cable TV service to people who use a > seperate broadband provider. Personally, I don't watch much TV anymore > (since they cancelled Farscape *SOB*), so I say screw 'em, but that would be > enough to keep most people away from alternatives. Our only hope here is > that the cable companies are state-sponsered monopolies, and therefore are > also state-regulated. > > > > - -- > Linux Beer: A recipe orginally created by a drunken Finn in his > basement, it has since become the home-brew of choice for impecunious > brewers and Unix beer-lovers worldwide, many of whom charge for the recipe. > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > iEYEARECAAYFAj3AqWkACgkQqpueKcacfLRqiACdFCPZOMpEeWeGoOPk/NZTJaNE > bzQAn17fpLX9xdBMuWUQxmIWSFe8Asaz > =hWzt > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > _______________________________________________ > Madlug mailing list - Madlug at madisonlinux.org > http://www.madisonlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/madlug > From harv at tds.net Thu Oct 31 07:51:04 2002 From: harv at tds.net (Harvey Nelson) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 07:51:04 -0600 Subject: [Madlug] Fwd: If OSes ran airlines Message-ID: <200210310751.04803.harv@tds.net> From extremetech.com If Operating Systems Ran Airlines UNIX Airways Everyone brings one piece of the plane along when they come to the airport. They all go out on the runway and put the plane together piece by piece, arguing non-stop about what kind of plane they are supposed to be building. Air DOS Everybody pushes the airplane until it glides, then they jump on and let the plane coast until it hits the ground again. Then they push again, jump on again, and so on ... Mac Airlines All the stewards, captains, baggage handlers, and ticket agents look neat and act exactly the same. Every time you ask questions about details, you are gently but firmly told that you don't need to know, that you really don't want to know, and that everything will be done for you without your ever having to know, so just shut up and watch the movie. Windows Air The terminal is pretty and colorful, with friendly stewards, easy baggage check and boarding, and a smooth take-off. After about 10 minutes in the air and at 40,000 feet, the plane explodes with no warning whatsoever. Windows NT Air Just like Windows Air, but costs more, uses 4 much bigger planes to cover the same route, and takes out all the other aircraft within a 40-mile radius when it explodes. Linux Air Disgruntled employees of all the other OS airlines decide to start their own airline. They build the planes, ticket counters, and pave the runways themselves. They charge a small fee to cover the cost of printing the ticket, but you can also download and print the ticket yourself. When you board the plane, you are given a seat, four bolts, a wrench and a copy of the seat-HOWTO.html. You take the seat to a location of your choice and bolt it into the deck, per the instructions. Once settled, the fully adjustable seat is very comfortable, the plan leaves and arrives on time without a single problem, the in-flight meal is wonderful. You try to tell customers of the other airlines about the great trip, but all they can say is, "Jesus, you had to do what with the seat? ... " ------------------------------------------------------- From harv at tds.net Thu Oct 31 08:50:56 2002 From: harv at tds.net (Harvey Nelson) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 08:50:56 -0600 Subject: [Madlug] Any thoughts? In-Reply-To: <3DC03569.6000308@ecol.net> References: <3DC03569.6000308@ecol.net> Message-ID: <200210310850.56785.harv@tds.net> First, we could all write letters to the President and Mike Powell (head of the FCC, and son of Colin Powell, and decidedly not a "techie"). Telling them what a bad idea this all is. << I don't know what a "cackle" emoticon looks like >> Second, I've heard some rumbles about wireless freenets being built in Colorado and California (usually, using surplus Russian military UHF transponders). I guess it all depends on how many ham radio operators are around and willing to strap on a belt and climb a few telephone poles. They'd have to be willing to endure the "terrorist-subversive" or, minimally, "socialist-dreamer" labels, etc. But, that's not uncommon in the Linux arena. Harv On Wednesday 30 October 2002 01:39 pm, John Timothy Kelly wrote: > Hi: > Just wondering if anyone had observations or thoughts on the following > article entitled: > "How Industry Intends To Kill The InterNet As We Know It" > By Jeff Chester > Executive Director > http://www.democraticmedia.org/ > Center for Digital Democracy > 10-30-2 > > Here's the link: > http://www.rense.com/general31/intne.htm > > The abstract is that the Cable industry intends to do the same thing for > broadband internet access (and the internet) as what it has done for > television. > > My first thought is that they have to get it to work consistently. I've > read on this group and heard on the vine that Charter is down fairly > reliably. Called up once about the subscription and got a message that > informed customers the network was out from Green Bay to Milwaukee. > There was no hint as to when it might be back up again. > > At any rate, thought I'd toss this one Mad-Town way. > > Cheers, From kpatenaude at yahoo.com Thu Oct 31 10:44:34 2002 From: kpatenaude at yahoo.com (Kenny Patenaude) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 08:44:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Madlug] Lycoris Desktop LX Message-ID: <20021031164434.75482.qmail@web11507.mail.yahoo.com> What's this all about? WalMart is selling it with Microtel PC's. What happened to Lindows? And they are based out of Redmond WA. A little strange if you ask me. The interface is almost exactly like XP. Hey, and why can't I download a copy of it. What happened to GNU license? Thanks, Kenny ===== Kenny Patenaude kpatenaude at yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ From snowfall at mailbag.com Thu Oct 31 11:24:04 2002 From: snowfall at mailbag.com (snowfall) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 11:24:04 -0600 Subject: [Madlug] Lycoris Desktop LX In-Reply-To: <20021031164434.75482.qmail@web11507.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20021031164434.75482.qmail@web11507.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20021031112404.1d15587c.snowfall@mailbag.com> On Thu, 31 Oct 2002 08:44:34 -0800 (PST) Kenny Patenaude wrote: > What's this all about? WalMart is selling it with > Microtel PC's. What happened to Lindows? And they > are based out of Redmond WA. Lycoris is the new name of Redmond Linux, which isn't Microsoft AFAIK. http://www.lycoris.com > Hey, and why can't I download a copy of it. What > happened to GNU license? I don't know -- I looked all over their web page and can't find a download site. Maybe it's there buried way down. . . They say it's $29 a copy and you can install it on an umlimited number of machines. Why anyone would do this is beyond me when you can get so many others for the price of a blank cd. MP From ricko73 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 31 11:45:12 2002 From: ricko73 at yahoo.com (Hartman Darrick) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 09:45:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Madlug] Lycoris Desktop LX In-Reply-To: <20021031112404.1d15587c.snowfall@mailbag.com> Message-ID: <20021031174512.29142.qmail@web12504.mail.yahoo.com> I found this. http://www.lycoris.org/download.php See Mirror sites at the bottom right side of the page. ISO's are available. Darrick snowfall wrote: > I don't know -- I looked all over their web page > and can't find a download site. Maybe it's there > buried way down. . . They say it's > $29 a copy and you can install it on an umlimited > number of machines. Why anyone would do this > is beyond me when you can get so many others for > the price of a blank cd. > > MP > > _______________________________________________ > Madlug mailing list - Madlug at madisonlinux.org > http://www.madisonlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/madlug __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ From tom.landmann at upsidedownkingdom.org Thu Oct 31 11:47:27 2002 From: tom.landmann at upsidedownkingdom.org (Thomas Landmann) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 11:47:27 -0600 Subject: [Madlug] Lycoris Desktop LX In-Reply-To: <20021031112404.1d15587c.snowfall@mailbag.com> Message-ID: ftp://ftp.stealth.net/pub/mirrors/ftp.lycoris.com/iso/ > -----Original Message----- > From: madlug-admin at madisonlinux.org > [mailto:madlug-admin at madisonlinux.org]On Behalf Of snowfall > Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 11:24 AM > To: madlug at madisonlinux.org > Subject: Re: [Madlug] Lycoris Desktop LX > > > On Thu, 31 Oct 2002 08:44:34 -0800 (PST) > Kenny Patenaude wrote: > > > What's this all about? WalMart is selling it with > > Microtel PC's. What happened to Lindows? And they > > are based out of Redmond WA. > > Lycoris is the new name of Redmond Linux, which > isn't Microsoft AFAIK. > > http://www.lycoris.com > > > > Hey, and why can't I download a copy of it. What > > happened to GNU license? > > I don't know -- I looked all over their web page > and can't find a download site. Maybe it's there > buried way down. . . They say it's > $29 a copy and you can install it on an umlimited > number of machines. Why anyone would do this > is beyond me when you can get so many others for > the price of a blank cd. > > MP > > _______________________________________________ > Madlug mailing list - Madlug at madisonlinux.org > http://www.madisonlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/madlug > From dave at weccusa.org Thu Oct 31 13:02:09 2002 From: dave at weccusa.org (David W. Jablonski) Date: 31 Oct 2002 13:02:09 -0600 Subject: [Madlug] Lycoris Desktop LX In-Reply-To: <20021031164434.75482.qmail@web11507.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20021031164434.75482.qmail@web11507.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1036090929.7404.2.camel@opiate.weccusa.org> The GNU license does not have anything to do with being able to download the distro. It just mentions that you must provide the source code if you redistribute - but you don't have to put it up for free downloads (binary or source). On Thu, 2002-10-31 at 10:44, Kenny Patenaude wrote: > What's this all about? WalMart is selling it with > Microtel PC's. What happened to Lindows? And they > are based out of Redmond WA. A little strange if you > ask me. The interface is almost exactly like XP. > Hey, and why can't I download a copy of it. What > happened to GNU license? > > > Thanks, > Kenny > > > ===== > Kenny Patenaude > kpatenaude at yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now > http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Madlug mailing list - Madlug at madisonlinux.org > http://www.madisonlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/madlug -- David W. Jablonski, RHCE, MCSE Systems Administrator http://www.weccusa.org http://www.energyfinancesolutions.com From will at upl.cs.wisc.edu Thu Oct 31 13:52:55 2002 From: will at upl.cs.wisc.edu (Will McDonald) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 13:52:55 -0600 Subject: [Madlug] Fwd: If OSes ran airlines In-Reply-To: <200210310751.04803.harv@tds.net> References: <200210310751.04803.harv@tds.net> Message-ID: <20021031195255.GH11073@cs.wisc.edu> On Thu, Oct 31, 2002 at 07:51:04AM -0600, Harvey Nelson wrote: > If Operating Systems Ran Airlines > UNIX Airways vs Linux Air True, but in addition to the seat, you forgot to mention that there is a whole crew of crack (and not-so-crack) mechanics maintaining and upgrading the plane in mid-flight. This is all well-and-good for consumer travelers, who are used to being ferried around like cattle. After all, they can get around the world for $10 and only bang their elbows a few times on the seat ratchet. For military (or corporate) transports, however, the story is different. They still use WWII-era behemoths that move slowly, require a dedicated runway per plane, cost $10,000/person to operate, and can only accomodate 1 in-flight engineer. That is ok, however, because they have only 15 moving parts, nearly never break, and the airline has 50 hangers full of identical spare parts. The military considered using Linux Air, but 1) You still can't carry a tank on a Linux plane, 2) the engineers keep moving the bolt points for the Big Guns, and 3) none of their 50 hangersful of parts fits onto the Linux plane, and the Linux planes haven't stabalized enough to *have* spare parts. :) -- ---------Will McDonald-----------------will at upl.cs.wisc.edu---------- GPG encrypted mail preferred. Join the web-o-trust! Key ID: F4332B28 From glen.murie at millennium-partners.com Thu Oct 31 14:14:12 2002 From: glen.murie at millennium-partners.com (Glen Murie) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 14:14:12 -0600 Subject: [Madlug] Installfest? Message-ID: <61MGFAPA0PJPJLH63SMKJ42MGGBC8MK.3dc18f14@glenspc> Hi, I'm new to the area, and relatively new to Linux. I was at the Milwaukee LUG when I lived there about four months ago, but I missed both chances at the installfests there. I've got Mandrake on my PC and dual boot because there's a pair of programs that I can't get working in Linux that I use all the time. Do you run installfests here, and if so, when? From don_schultz at panvera.com Thu Oct 31 15:06:29 2002 From: don_schultz at panvera.com (Don Schultz) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 15:06:29 -0600 Subject: [Madlug] SSH passphrases Message-ID: <72CF2973A7532D478D85271D40F608FC8BDDDE@mercury.panvera.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hey, I have 1 machine running the latest version of ssh that I need to have passwordless access to 3 other machines. Heres' what I did: - -Created identitcal users on each remote I need the access to, created the .ssh directories. - -Created rsa, rsa1 and dsa keys on the local machine - -made authorized_keys and authorized_keys2 files on the remote machines and put the correct public keys of the local machine in them - -started ssh-agent and used ssh-add to add all the private keys to the local machine If I'm remembering right, this should ask me for the passphrase 1 time and then it should be good from then on. Then how come EVERY TIME I try and log into the remote machine, it asks me for a passphrase? Any ideas? - -don schultz- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 8.0 (Build 294) Beta iQA/AwUBPcGbSSF/whNNx4m6EQK7eACg9pk++xt+k2tcRvrh1WPln4xpf6oAnR3/ N+ZDmh2dApldFJHnWIg5OfrC =7JsT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From will at upl.cs.wisc.edu Thu Oct 31 15:19:50 2002 From: will at upl.cs.wisc.edu (Will McDonald) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 15:19:50 -0600 Subject: [Madlug] SSH passphrases In-Reply-To: <72CF2973A7532D478D85271D40F608FC8BDDDE@mercury.panvera.com> References: <72CF2973A7532D478D85271D40F608FC8BDDDE@mercury.panvera.com> Message-ID: <20021031211950.GK11073@cs.wisc.edu> On Thu, Oct 31, 2002 at 03:06:29PM -0600, Don Schultz wrote: > If I'm remembering right, this should ask me for the passphrase 1 time > and then it should be good from then on. Then how come EVERY TIME I try > and log into the remote machine, it asks me for a passphrase? Any ideas? I always had a hard time figuring out how to do it by hand, but your ssh-agent needs to be a parent of whatever process you want to connect. I use keychain (http://www.gentoo.org/projects/keychain.html) for this - install and put keychain in your shell login script: if (which keychain > /dev/null); then keychain ~/.ssh/identity ~/.ssh/id_dsa source ~/.ssh-agent-${HOSTNAME} fi -- ---------Will McDonald-----------------will at upl.cs.wisc.edu---------- GPG encrypted mail preferred. Join the web-o-trust! Key ID: F4332B28 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.madisonlinux.org/pipermail/madlug/attachments/20021031/178c3846/attachment.pgp From sephtin at techgodz.com Thu Oct 31 16:11:55 2002 From: sephtin at techgodz.com (John) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 16:11:55 -0600 Subject: [Madlug] Installfest? References: <61MGFAPA0PJPJLH63SMKJ42MGGBC8MK.3dc18f14@glenspc> Message-ID: <004201c2812a$863d2980$be22410a@corporate.amfam.com> Great question on installfests. I would be interested in attending as well. As a side note... What applications??? :) John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glen Murie" To: Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 2:14 PM Subject: [Madlug] Installfest? > Hi, I'm new to the area, and relatively new to Linux. I was at the Milwaukee LUG when I lived there about > four months ago, but I missed both chances at the installfests there. I've got Mandrake on my PC and dual > boot because there's a pair of programs that I can't get working in Linux that I use all the time. > > Do you run installfests here, and if so, when? > > > > _______________________________________________ > Madlug mailing list - Madlug at madisonlinux.org > http://www.madisonlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/madlug > From wa4chq at qsl.net Thu Oct 31 16:21:32 2002 From: wa4chq at qsl.net (wa4chq at qsl.net) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 17:21:32 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Madlug] pine mail Message-ID: Greetings all- I finally found the problem with pine crashing....it was pine. I UN-installed the version that I was having the problem with and installed 4.30 and now I can send attachments and do spell check. whewwwww Still no luck sending mail with Mutt though.... Cheers and its getting cold here in the SE corner of Virginia... Neil T. -- Linux Rules the roost. Ham Radio Rules the waves...http://www.qsl.net/wa4chq From ricko73 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 31 16:20:32 2002 From: ricko73 at yahoo.com (Hartman Darrick) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 14:20:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Madlug] Installfest? In-Reply-To: <004201c2812a$863d2980$be22410a@corporate.amfam.com> Message-ID: <20021031222032.93862.qmail@web12502.mail.yahoo.com> It was talked about at least 3-4 times during the summer meetings. I haven't attended a meeting in the past 2 months so I can't say what's been going on. I can provide Slackware 8.1 CD's. I need to reinstall in the next few weeks anyway. I want to demote WindowsXP to an older (Athlon 850) Box which is currently running linux (dual headed) and install Linux on my newer AthlonXP1800 hardware raid etc. Sounds like something for a Tuesday night if someone can find a location. Darrick --- John wrote: > Great question on installfests. I would be > interested in attending as well. > > As a side note... What applications??? :) > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Glen Murie" > > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 2:14 PM > Subject: [Madlug] Installfest? > > > > Hi, I'm new to the area, and relatively new to > Linux. I was at the > Milwaukee LUG when I lived there about > > four months ago, but I missed both chances at the > installfests there. I've > got Mandrake on my PC and dual > > boot because there's a pair of programs that I > can't get working in Linux > that I use all the time. > > > > Do you run installfests here, and if so, when? > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Madlug mailing list - Madlug at madisonlinux.org > > > http://www.madisonlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/madlug > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Madlug mailing list - Madlug at madisonlinux.org > http://www.madisonlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/madlug __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ From chris at hddesign.com Thu Oct 31 17:03:03 2002 From: chris at hddesign.com (Chris Meyers) Date: 31 Oct 2002 17:03:03 -0600 Subject: [Madlug] SSH passphrases In-Reply-To: <72CF2973A7532D478D85271D40F608FC8BDDDE@mercury.panvera.com> References: <72CF2973A7532D478D85271D40F608FC8BDDDE@mercury.panvera.com> Message-ID: <1036105384.1552.26.camel@tick.hddesign.com> I was just working on this the other day at work, and here is what I did: 1) On my machine I ran % ssh-keygen -t dsa 2)When keygen asks for a passphrase just hit enter (i.e. no password) 3)% scp ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub server:/home/USER/.ssh/mynewdsa.pub 4)% ssh server 5)% cd .ssh/ 6)% cat mynewdsa.pub >> authorized_keys 7)% cat mynewdsa.pub >> authorized_keys2 Repeat step 1-7 except with % ssh-keygen -t rsa to get an rsa key You should be able to ssh without passwords now. If not, check your ssh_config file of your server (probably /etc/ssh/ssh_config) for the following things: Protocol 1,2 Older versions of ssh (at least on FreeBSD) default to Protocol 1 first and then if it isn't there it will look for 2. Protocol 1 doesn't work with the RSA/DSA key method, you need Protocol 2 for that. Change to the following: Protocol 2,1 I also have these lines in my ssh_config: RhostsAuthentication yes RhostsRSAAuthentication yes RSAAuthentication yes Once you change your ssh_config, restart sshd on the server, and you should be good to go. Hope that helps, Chris Meyers On Thu, 2002-10-31 at 15:06, Don Schultz wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hey, > I have 1 machine running the latest version of ssh that I need to have > passwordless access to 3 other machines. Heres' what I did: > > - -Created identitcal users on each remote I need the access to, created > the .ssh directories. > - -Created rsa, rsa1 and dsa keys on the local machine > - -made authorized_keys and authorized_keys2 files on the remote > machines and put the correct public keys of the local machine in them > - -started ssh-agent and used ssh-add to add all the private keys to the > local machine > > If I'm remembering right, this should ask me for the passphrase 1 time > and then it should be good from then on. Then how come EVERY TIME I try > and log into the remote machine, it asks me for a passphrase? Any ideas? > > - -don schultz- > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGP 8.0 (Build 294) Beta > > iQA/AwUBPcGbSSF/whNNx4m6EQK7eACg9pk++xt+k2tcRvrh1WPln4xpf6oAnR3/ > N+ZDmh2dApldFJHnWIg5OfrC > =7JsT > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > Madlug mailing list - Madlug at madisonlinux.org > http://www.madisonlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/madlug From hardburn at runbox.com Thu Oct 31 17:19:15 2002 From: hardburn at runbox.com (Timm Murray) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 18:19:15 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] Any thoughts? In-Reply-To: <200210310850.56785.harv@tds.net> References: <3DC03569.6000308@ecol.net> <200210310850.56785.harv@tds.net> Message-ID: <200210311719.19231.hardburn@runbox.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 31 October 2002 08:50, Harvey Nelson wrote: > First, we could all write letters to the President and Mike Powell (head of > the FCC, and son of Colin Powell, and decidedly not a "techie"). Telling > them what a bad idea this all is. > > << I don't know what a "cackle" emoticon looks like >> > > Second, I've heard some rumbles about wireless freenets being built in > Colorado and California (usually, using surplus Russian military UHF > transponders). > > I guess it all depends on how many ham radio operators are around and > willing to strap on a belt and climb a few telephone poles. They'd have to > be willing to endure the "terrorist-subversive" or, minimally, > "socialist-dreamer" labels, etc. But, that's not uncommon in the Linux > arena. <> Getting Internet access via Ham hardware probably isn't a good idea. Ham licenses require you to never, ever use encryption. No SSH. No SSL. No GPG'd e-mail (possibly not even signed-only, if interpreted broadly enough). I'd much prefer 802.11b networks using SSH tunneling for protection and authentication. Maybe even skip SSH tunnels and go straight for IPSec. - -- X windows: The Cutting Edge of Obsolenscence. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAj3BunYACgkQqpueKcacfLSzQACgvuU7gjziyfl6TEJTVEYJqQYY JwUAn0Xs2NC0alK44SCyFdxvI1XhJYj6 =95UJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From hardburn at runbox.com Thu Oct 31 17:25:46 2002 From: hardburn at runbox.com (Timm Murray) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 18:25:46 -0500 Subject: [Madlug] Installfest? In-Reply-To: <61MGFAPA0PJPJLH63SMKJ42MGGBC8MK.3dc18f14@glenspc> References: <61MGFAPA0PJPJLH63SMKJ42MGGBC8MK.3dc18f14@glenspc> Message-ID: <200210311725.49678.hardburn@runbox.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 31 October 2002 14:14, Glen Murie wrote: > Hi, I'm new to the area, and relatively new to Linux. I was at the > Milwaukee LUG when I lived there about four months ago, but I missed both > chances at the installfests there. I've got Mandrake on my PC and dual boot > because there's a pair of programs that I can't get working in Linux that I > use all the time. > > Do you run installfests here, and if so, when? Not for a while. UW used to hold some, but they stopped because GNU/Linux became easy enough to install that no one showed up. When there is another presentation, you could probably drag your computer over and ask someone to help you get started. - -- X windows: It could be worse, but it'll take time. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAj3Bu/wACgkQqpueKcacfLTW9QCgxHCkhcBpn2o+/DRwj5icBHpO b0gAoL6LrgujZdyweViasv/lvqJxUJIp =XJXb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From harv at tds.net Thu Oct 31 17:59:29 2002 From: harv at tds.net (Harv Nelson) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 17:59:29 -0600 Subject: [Madlug] Any thoughts? Message-ID: <200210312358.g9VNwsF1006877@im1.sec.tds.net> I didn't mean to suggest that such a wireless network be LICENSED in the amateur service ... hams never developed "packet radio" to its full potential, if they had, we have that wireless network now ... rather, I was trying to suggest that hams might be the sorts of people with the know-how for getting rehabed surplus equipment to the most adventageous geographical locations. Harv > > From: Timm Murray > Date: 2002/10/31 Thu PM 05:19:15 CST > To: madlug > Subject: Re: [Madlug] Any thoughts? > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Thursday 31 October 2002 08:50, Harvey Nelson wrote: > > First, we could all write letters to the President and Mike Powell (head of > > the FCC, and son of Colin Powell, and decidedly not a "techie"). Telling > > them what a bad idea this all is. > > > > << I don't know what a "cackle" emoticon looks like >> > > > > Second, I've heard some rumbles about wireless freenets being built in > > Colorado and California (usually, using surplus Russian military UHF > > transponders). > > > > I guess it all depends on how many ham radio operators are around and > > willing to strap on a belt and climb a few telephone poles. They'd have to > > be willing to endure the "terrorist-subversive" or, minimally, > > "socialist-dreamer" labels, etc. But, that's not uncommon in the Linux > > arena. > <> > > Getting Internet access via Ham hardware probably isn't a good idea. Ham > licenses require you to never, ever use encryption. No SSH. No SSL. No > GPG'd e-mail (possibly not even signed-only, if interpreted broadly enough). > > I'd much prefer 802.11b networks using SSH tunneling for protection and > authentication. Maybe even skip SSH tunnels and go straight for IPSec. > > - -- > X windows: The Cutting Edge of Obsolenscence. > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > iEYEARECAAYFAj3BunYACgkQqpueKcacfLSzQACgvuU7gjziyfl6TEJTVEYJqQYY > JwUAn0Xs2NC0alK44SCyFdxvI1XhJYj6 > =95UJ > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > _______________________________________________ > Madlug mailing list - Madlug at madisonlinux.org > http://www.madisonlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/madlug > From mtinberg at securepipe.com Thu Oct 31 19:08:03 2002 From: mtinberg at securepipe.com (Mark Tinberg) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 19:08:03 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Madlug] mail clients In-Reply-To: <20021030112952.C9723@cae.wisc.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, Dale W. Carder wrote: > The searching in mutt doesn't seem the most capable (especially on sent messages > for some reason) and there is also a severe performance penalty with my inbox > alone around 800 messages a month. If there were a better way to look at data > at one time, I think this would be it. > I don't know if mutt's apparent anemic searching capabilities will be a problem here, but I've currently got 16,061 messages in my inbox without a significant performance penalty using Cyrus-IMAPd on a PII 500 that's loaded with many processes. If your mail client is smart enough to use properly formatted IMAP searches it should be able to leverage the fact that Cyrus keeps updated indexes of common metadata in a fast DB, the actual messges are stored in a Maildir like format, one RFC2822 message per file. One thing to note is that performance for the expunge operation tanks after ~10,000 messages (files) in one folder (directory). This is likely due to ext2 performance problems with listing large directories, newer filesystems like Reiser (or even maybe newer ext3) would likely not have this problem. As it stands it takes ~30s to finish an expunge operation after I mark all my spam as deleted. Note I use PINE for email which has pretty slick filtering and searching support IMHO. YMMV. Note: I think mbox format file are crap and should never be used. They are unsafe, easy to corrupt, stupidly formated, low performance, don't scale, locking problems, security problems (related to file locking on central mailspool, nfs problems, etc. etc. Maildir style, with one file per message works much beetter and doesn't have any of these problems. -- Mark Tinberg Network Security Engineer, SecurePipe Inc. Remember: Wherever you go, there you are! Key fingerprint = AF6B 0294 EE33 D802 F7A1 38A4 CF52 5FE0 7470 E5F7 Your daily fortune . . . Absence makes the heart grow frantic. From mtinberg at securepipe.com Thu Oct 31 20:05:06 2002 From: mtinberg at securepipe.com (Mark Tinberg) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 20:05:06 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Madlug] SSH passphrases In-Reply-To: <1036105384.1552.26.camel@tick.hddesign.com> Message-ID: On 31 Oct 2002, Chris Meyers wrote: > Protocol 1,2 > > Older versions of ssh (at least on FreeBSD) default to Protocol 1 first > and then if it isn't there it will look for 2. Protocol 1 doesn't work > with the RSA/DSA key method, you need Protocol 2 for that. Change to the > following: > > Protocol 2,1 I recommend turning off protocol 1 entirely. It is not used as there are plenty of protocol 2 clients for any OS you care to name. Many of the security problems with OpenSSH stem from protocol 1 support, it is an unnecessary risk. Disable it. I also recommend restricing access to ssh (22/tcp) to just the hosts/networks you intend to log in from using either packet filtering rules or tcpwrappers rules (or both) as there have been several exploits in OpenSSH. Privilige seperation can help mitigate the risk here as well. -- Mark Tinberg Network Security Engineer, SecurePipe Inc. Remember: Wherever you go, there you are! Key fingerprint = AF6B 0294 EE33 D802 F7A1 38A4 CF52 5FE0 7470 E5F7 Your daily fortune . . . The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. - Edmund Burke From mtinberg at securepipe.com Thu Oct 31 20:09:59 2002 From: mtinberg at securepipe.com (Mark Tinberg) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 20:09:59 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Madlug] SSH passphrases In-Reply-To: <1036105384.1552.26.camel@tick.hddesign.com> Message-ID: On 31 Oct 2002, Chris Meyers wrote: > I also have these lines in my ssh_config: > > RhostsAuthentication yes > RhostsRSAAuthentication yes > RSAAuthentication yes Rhosts and RSA aren't necessary either and may be dangerous. Here is a sample config that is more securely setup. Note that I use DSA keys. # This sshd was compiled with PATH=/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/sbin # This is the sshd server system-wide configuration file. See sshd(8) # for more information. Port 22 Protocol 2 #ListenAddress 0.0.0.0 #ListenAddress :: #HostKey /etc/ssh_host_key #HostKey /etc/ssh_host_rsa_key HostKey /etc/ssh/ssh_host_dsa_key ServerKeyBits 768 LoginGraceTime 600 KeyRegenerationInterval 3600 # Require one to log in as a regular user and su # to root to maintain audit trail, also requires # attacker to discover two passwords, or one and # a local root exploit which is more difficult. PermitRootLogin no # # Don't read ~/.rhosts and ~/.shosts files IgnoreRhosts yes # Uncomment if you don't trust ~/.ssh/known_hosts for RhostsRSAAuthentication #IgnoreUserKnownHosts yes StrictModes yes X11Forwarding yes X11DisplayOffset 10 PrintMotd yes #PrintLastLog no KeepAlive yes # Logging SyslogFacility AUTH LogLevel INFO #obsoletes QuietMode and FascistLogging RhostsAuthentication no # # For this to work you will also need host keys in /etc/ssh_known_hosts RhostsRSAAuthentication no # similar for protocol version 2 HostbasedAuthentication no # RSAAuthentication no # To disable tunneled clear text passwords, change to no here! PasswordAuthentication yes PermitEmptyPasswords no # Uncomment to disable s/key passwords ChallengeResponseAuthentication no # Uncomment to enable PAM keyboard-interactive authentication # Warning: enabling this may bypass the setting of 'PasswordAuthentication' PAMAuthenticationViaKbdInt no # To change Kerberos options KerberosAuthentication no #KerberosOrLocalPasswd yes #AFSTokenPassing no #KerberosTicketCleanup no # Kerberos TGT Passing does only work with the AFS kaserver #KerberosTgtPassing yes #CheckMail yes #UseLogin no #MaxStartups 10:30:60 #Banner /etc/issue.net #ReverseMappingCheck yes UsePrivilegeSeparation yes #Subsystem sftp /usr/libexec/sftp-server -- Mark Tinberg Network Security Engineer, SecurePipe Inc. Remember: Wherever you go, there you are! Key fingerprint = AF6B 0294 EE33 D802 F7A1 38A4 CF52 5FE0 7470 E5F7 Your daily fortune . . . The primary requisite for any new tax law is for it to exempt enough voters to win the next election. From mtinberg at securepipe.com Thu Oct 31 20:11:54 2002 From: mtinberg at securepipe.com (Mark Tinberg) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 20:11:54 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Madlug] Any thoughts? In-Reply-To: <200210311719.19231.hardburn@runbox.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 31 Oct 2002, Timm Murray wrote: > Getting Internet access via Ham hardware probably isn't a good idea. Ham > licenses require you to never, ever use encryption. No SSH. No SSL. No > GPG'd e-mail (possibly not even signed-only, if interpreted broadly enough). What, really? That's asanine. > I'd much prefer 802.11b networks using SSH tunneling for protection and > authentication. Maybe even skip SSH tunnels and go straight for IPSec. IPSec or CIPE are a must and will be the most robust solutions. -- Mark Tinberg Network Security Engineer, SecurePipe Inc. Remember: Wherever you go, there you are! Key fingerprint = AF6B 0294 EE33 D802 F7A1 38A4 CF52 5FE0 7470 E5F7 Your daily fortune . . . Life is like a tin of sardines. We're, all of us, looking for the key. -- Beyond the Fringe From tekarrow at charter.net Thu Oct 31 20:09:52 2002 From: tekarrow at charter.net (Chris Brown) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 20:09:52 -0600 Subject: [Madlug] Next meeting when, need redhat 8. Message-ID: <3DC1E270.2020409@charter.net> Sorry between loading and reloading OS's I blew ton of mail away. Did we decide on tomorrow or Nov 8th for the next Friday meeting? Also, If anyone has some redhat 8 CD's they are willing to part with, I will come pick them up, if you need them back I'll burn copies. I'm having a heck of a time downloading from mirrors.wisc.edu. Chris P.S. The linux lan party was great! We should do it again before its get too cold or wet out! From tom.landmann at upsidedownkingdom.org Thu Oct 31 21:35:56 2002 From: tom.landmann at upsidedownkingdom.org (Thomas Landmann) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 21:35:56 -0600 Subject: [Madlug] Next meeting when, need redhat 8. In-Reply-To: <3DC1E270.2020409@charter.net> Message-ID: > P.S. The linux lan party was great! We should do it again before its > get too cold or wet out! Thanks Chris!! It was great because y'all showed up. :-) It was lots of fun. I meant to send an email out thanking everyone for coming and to bootstarp the next one... Procrastination is a terrible thing. ;-) Tom (aka ZombieChick) (( "Who is this ZombieChick!?!" --overheard at Linux LAN Party Alpha 1 ))